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Post by HopefulLeigh on Dec 30, 2016 17:05:35 GMT -5
Hello,
I have been a lurker for a couple of years now. As I go back through old discussions I find it nearly impossible to find what I'm looking for due to the large amount of wordy replies and off-topic discussions. I'd love for this thread to be a brainstorm with only ideas and no additional discussion, praise, etc. Respectful of course, but to the point! If people like, I'd like to start other threads with other topics from the book, poem,etc. Even if it's been said before, it would be nice to have everything in one place.
This brainstorm is about the postmarks in the books. My idea is that they are there to draw attention to the year 1893, the same year that Mark Twain's Sketches New and Old was re-published, but with with less stories. It was also the year that the Old Deadwood Stagecoach, Chicago, 1893 photo was taken and later donated to the Buffalo Bill Center of the West by none other than ff. Lastly, there was a standoff between outlaws and US marshalls that year that represented the government putting a stop to the outlaws.
Now, share your thoughts about the postmarks! Ready, Set, Go!
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Post by goldwatch on Dec 30, 2016 17:45:08 GMT -5
I've only glanced at the postmarks, but if you don't mind my asking how do you get the 1893?
I do wonder about the postmarks but I've had too much else to do to spend a lot of time on them. Besides, I suspect they have something "story related" to do with the actual solve. In other words, I think you need the have the solves first, then look hard to find the extra story that these postmarks relate. I think Fenn made a work of art, of sorts, with this chase. Things to talk about for years.
But again, that's only a suspicion.
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Post by HopefulLeigh on Dec 30, 2016 19:39:13 GMT -5
There are six with that year, the only year that is not realistic to his stories.
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Post by wymustigo on Dec 30, 2016 19:49:58 GMT -5
I don't remember where I got this from, but here are all the postmarks: ==== Postage Stamps p. 16 Monday, 16 September 1936 – correct day: Wednesday p. 22 Sunday, 2 September 1943 – correct day: Thursday p. 28 Thursday, 25 August 1937 – correct day: Wednesday p. 34 Saturday, 10 July 1893(?) – (if year is right, correct day would be Monday) p. 36 Wednesday, 15 April 1938 – correct day: Friday p. 42 Friday, 18 October 19?? p. 44 Monday, 3 June 1930s (the only Monday for June 3rd in the 30s was 1935) p. 46 Wednesday, 13 July  ? p. 51 Friday, 5 June ? p. 54 Sunday, 23 May 1940s (1943 and 1948 were Sundays) p. 58 Sunday, 20 September 1946 – correct day: Friday p. 64 Saturday, 8 August 1947 – correct day: Friday p. 68 Sunday, 7 September 1949 – correct day: Wednesday p. 72 Saturday, 27 December ? p. 108 Tuesday, 28 April 1974 – correct day: Sunday p. 114 Saturday, 10 October 1983 – correct day: Monday p. 118 Thursday, 7 November 1930 – correct day: Friday p. 120 Sunday, 23 July 1942 – correct day: Thursday p. 126 Friday, 5 June ? p. 140 Sunday, 15 August 2005 – correct day: Monday If you assume the year is not legible on page 34, then 12 out of 12 stamps have the wrong day of the week (odds of happening randomly: 15.7%). If the 1893 year is correct, then 13 out of 13 are wrong (odds: 13.5%). So the probability is not so low that it couldn’t have happened by chance, but it’s ~probably~ deliberate. Some other things to note: every erroneous day of the week appears at least twice except Tuesday — the only Tuesday stamp is on page 108. For the 13 correct days of the week (assuming 1893 is right), there are no Tuesdays and no Saturdays. There’s only one stamp on a odd number page. Page 51 That’s the only stamp that appears twice. And it’s on page 126 . |
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Post by HopefulLeigh on Dec 30, 2016 20:09:32 GMT -5
I believe all ?'s are 1893. p.126 is gold and more (chapter with poem). Interesting that the only odd page is the matching postmark to that one (My brother being skippy.)
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Post by goldwatch on Dec 31, 2016 0:23:58 GMT -5
Thanks for the info!
Wasn't the Fenn Cache (those beautiful Clovis points) supposedly found around 1900?
And didn't Forrest gain access to them in 1988, the year he got cancer?
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Post by goldwatch on Dec 31, 2016 1:09:44 GMT -5
Ok, I have something for Tuesday, but it's late and I don't know if it goes anywhere relating to the hunt. I need more time to think.
I'm going to PM it to you two because you got me going on this with your info.
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Post by goldwatch on Dec 31, 2016 16:09:33 GMT -5
Ok, I checked with the others and I won't be stepping on any toes by posting this.
What I came up with related to Tuesday is this.
In the book on chapter "Gold And More", page 128 last paragraph, after Forrest's surgery, he says:
"Lying in bed at three o'clock in the morning.........."
"At age fifty-eight I had spent more than nineteen years asleep, and three of those years were on Monday. Think about that for a minute. Surely that's a design deficiency of some sort."
Forrest was born Aug. 22, 1930. A Friday.
Doing the math, that means that Tuesday was the last day that he spent 3 years asleep. (Friday to Tuesday.)
The 7 days of the week are represented like this in "years asleep".
3+3+3+3+3+2+2 = 19 years asleep, starting with the day he was born (Friday).
I really don't know if it means anything or how to apply it, but I suspect if it means anything then it's only part of whatever it is.
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Post by HopefulLeigh on Dec 31, 2016 16:37:18 GMT -5
Anyone find anything about the 039 on five of the stamps? And possible partial on three more?
Thirty-nine animal fetishes?
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Post by mindy on Jan 5, 2017 18:43:29 GMT -5
Ok, I checked with the others and I won't be stepping on any toes by posting this. What I came up with related to Tuesday is this. In the book on chapter "Gold And More", page 128 last paragraph, after Forrest's surgery, he says: "Lying in bed at three o'clock in the morning.........."
"At age fifty-eight I had spent more than nineteen years asleep, and three of those years were on Monday. Think about that for a minute. Surely that's a design deficiency of some sort."Forrest was born Aug. 22, 1930. A Friday. Doing the math, that means that Tuesday was the last day that he spent 3 years asleep. (Friday to Tuesday.) The 7 days of the week are represented like this in "years asleep". 3+3+3+3+3+2+2 = 19 years asleep, starting with the day he was born (Friday). I really don't know if it means anything or how to apply it, but I suspect if it means anything then it's only part of whatever it is. I was gonna say something about that asleep on Monday quote, and in the past I've thought it was important, because wherever he tells you to think about something, it's important. But I am absolutely terrible (and I mean, the WORST) at numbers and math, so I've always pushed that quote to the back of my mind. Thanks for explaining how it works...I would have never been able to figure that out...now just to figure out which page that quote directs us to go...  |
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Post by mindy on Jan 5, 2017 18:45:06 GMT -5
Anyone find anything about the 039 on five of the stamps? And possible partial on three more? Thirty-nine animal fetishes? Leigh, I did, but it was a long time ago...I'll have to look back in my notes. If I find it, I'll post it... |
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Post by goldwatch on Jan 5, 2017 21:34:32 GMT -5
I just noticed that the last stamp (on page 140) has a PM in it.
I started in the back so there may be more.
Edit: That's the only one. The 'P' is hard to read, it might be something else, but it's not an 'A'.
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Post by goldwatch on Jan 8, 2017 19:35:49 GMT -5
Ok, I checked with the others and I won't be stepping on any toes by posting this. What I came up with related to Tuesday is this. In the book on chapter "Gold And More", page 128 last paragraph, after Forrest's surgery, he says: "Lying in bed at three o'clock in the morning.........."
"At age fifty-eight I had spent more than nineteen years asleep, and three of those years were on Monday. Think about that for a minute. Surely that's a design deficiency of some sort."Forrest was born Aug. 22, 1930. A Friday. Doing the math, that means that Tuesday was the last day that he spent 3 years asleep. (Friday to Tuesday.) The 7 days of the week are represented like this in "years asleep". 3+3+3+3+3+2+2 = 19 years asleep, starting with the day he was born (Friday). I really don't know if it means anything or how to apply it, but I suspect if it means anything then it's only part of whatever it is. I was gonna say something about that asleep on Monday quote, and in the past I've thought it was important, because wherever he tells you to think about something, it's important. But I am absolutely terrible (and I mean, the WORST) at numbers and math, so I've always pushed that quote to the back of my mind. Thanks for explaining how it works...I would have never been able to figure that out...now just to figure out which page that quote directs us to go... Ok, I'll explain the significance of this. Forrest must have just turned 58 in the last week of this night he lay awake. Otherwise every day of the week would be the same number of years asleep. Forrest birthday was on Monday, Aug 22, 1988. So the Monday he's talking about was his birthday, 58th to be exact. I don't know if we can figure out what day he had his surgery on. He had to be laying awake on Tuesday night (Wed. morning). I don't know if they do a major surgery like that on a Monday (prep day?), and I don't know if they talk to the patient the next day after (Specialist reviews?). |
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Post by goldwatch on Jan 8, 2017 20:42:59 GMT -5
I was gonna say something about that asleep on Monday quote, and in the past I've thought it was important, because wherever he tells you to think about something, it's important. But I am absolutely terrible (and I mean, the WORST) at numbers and math, so I've always pushed that quote to the back of my mind. Thanks for explaining how it works...I would have never been able to figure that out...now just to figure out which page that quote directs us to go... Ok, I'll explain the significance of this. Forrest must have just turned 58 in the last week of this night he lay awake. Otherwise every day of the week would be the same number of years asleep. Forrest birthday was on Monday, Aug 22, 1988. So the Monday he's talking about was his birthday, 58th to be exact. I don't know if we can figure out what day he had his surgery on. He had to be laying awake on Tuesday night (Wed. morning). I don't know if they do a major surgery like that on a Monday (prep day?), and I don't know if they talk to the patient the next day after (Specialist reviews?). There's something wrong here. I made a goof and I think Forrest did too. Mine: It wouldn't be 3+3+3+3+3+2+2, as far as years sleeping per each day of the week. It would be 19 years divided by 7 = 2.71(+) years for each day. His: But he said "more than" 19 years, so if we go to 20 we get 2.857(+) years for each day. 3 Years on any given day seems like it's not possible at age 58. And I think Forrest and I both looked at this equation askance from different angles. Maybe that's what he meant when he said "surely that's a design deficiency of some sort." (I used to be good at this stuff, but I think I've lost a trajectory somewhere along the years.) |
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Post by goldwatch on Jan 8, 2017 23:11:35 GMT -5
58 x 365 x 24 = 508,080 hours 508,080 / 3 = 169,360 hours slept 169,360 / 24 = 7,056.666 days slept 7,056.666 / 365 = 19.333 years slept in 58 years. This is a rough calculation only, based on an even 365-day year, and allowing for 8 hours of sleep every 24 hours. 19.333 years / 3 = 6.444 meaning, that a Monday would roll around every 6.444 days, with this rough calculation. You could fine-tune it and it would work out close enough to being as f stated. Edit: Oh I see what you're saying. So then, assuming the other days were all equal, they'd each roll around every (.556/6 + 7 =)7.092666 days? That means that there's a difference of (.092666+.444 (<- edit this to .556) =).53666 (<- edit this to .648666) days between Monday's and the other days. Roughly half a day. In an 8 hour sleep cycle on average, that's another 4 hours sleep on Mondays than the other days. Over 58 years? (Edit: This is all wrong. Have to go percentages here. Should be .648666 / 6.444 = 10% roughly. So an 8 hour sleep period on the other days means 8.8 hours sleep on Monday.) Amiwrong? Edit: I am really fumbling around on this. I need some mental gymnastics to get back in shape. But yep, you're right RT. It's all within a range of possibility, and with a 20 year military career plus the habits that followed, I guess is very reasonable. |
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