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Post by astree on Mar 26, 2019 18:41:45 GMT -5
. Next, exploring possible connections between open and closed chest and border on this page.
First, closed chest 1653. 16+5+3 =24=X, which appears on closed chest.
16, 5, 3 is alpha P E C which are letters in border next to chest. Note the letters next to T (sCEPTre), and the numbers are on the T frame of the chest.
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Post by astree on Mar 27, 2019 5:23:31 GMT -5
. More about the 1 6 5 3
( “everything you need is in the book” )
The numbers are near the bottom and run generally horizontal
Using a 1:1 correspondence with the bottom phrase A MYSTERY, pick letters
A E T Y
AYE, T ?
because the numbers are on the door / chest T and the is another code for AYE on the page
but is AYE T helpful, or is it part of a phrase, including for example YET A?
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Post by rarbowen on Apr 9, 2019 15:24:09 GMT -5
I believe I see some letters in his beard, as well.
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Post by thisjustin on Jul 15, 2019 21:12:20 GMT -5
I hadn't looked closely at the chest before and assumed the star shape in the x*+c was an asterisk. To me this meant follow the mathematical rules and assume X and C are Roman numerals (i.e. 10 and 100).
Starting in the upper left as you would with a book and continuing counterclockwise to follow the mathematical rules gives you the equation 10 * 100 + 10 (i.e. X * C + X) -= 1010.
The planks of the shipwreck form an E. Drop the zero from the above equation and we get 101 E.
We see 101 E on the orange buoy on the Lobsterman page.
X happens to be the postal code for the Canadian Northwest territories and the Lobsterman is pointing up at the border phrase North West.
All of this means ... likely nothing. I think the Lobsterman is a red herring page, and I think that asterisk is a compass rose. But it just shows how you can find so many (likely) unintended connections in this book.
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Post by thisjustin on Oct 25, 2019 8:50:21 GMT -5
. Next, exploring possible connections between open and closed chest and border on this page. First, closed chest 1653. 16+5+3 =24=X, which appears on closed chest. 16, 5, 3 is alpha P E C which are letters in border next to chest. Note the letters next to T (sCEPTre), and the numbers are on the T frame of the chest. 1=A, 6=F, 5=E, C=3 = FACE or cafe as has been stated elsewhere. But also ... 16=P, 1=A, 5=E, C=3 = PA EC as in the PA EC Forty South clue.
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Post by astree on Dec 19, 2019 7:04:54 GMT -5
. Next, exploring possible connections between open and closed chest and border on this page. First, closed chest 1653. 16+5+3 =24=X, which appears on closed chest. 16, 5, 3 is alpha P E C which are letters in border next to chest. Note the letters next to T (sCEPTre), and the numbers are on the T frame of the chest. 1=A, 6=F, 5=E, C=3 = FACE or cafe as has been stated elsewhere. But also ... 16=P, 1=A, 5=E, C=3 = PA EC as in the PA EC Forty South clue. This. Is one of the reasons that this puzzle is so frustrating. There does not seem to be any good way to narrow down the possibilities of clue interpretations or even to define what really is a clue. No confirmations. There is a extremely simple solution to this puzzle which looks to be correct; i’m not sure that there are confirmations available. Also there appears to be a lot of specialized information in the puzzle which a person will only recognize by going outside of the book and I’m not sure what the purpose of that is either. I’ve also found places where there appear to be personal references for the authors like PEL and DAD And it’s not clear if these are also somehow to be used as clues or just there for the authors Back to the puzzle. On the treasure chest that is closed there is a T that has 1653 on it. Let’s take the numbers to represent the word face. Now the lines of the tea can be extended to intersect the letters in the border SEA which seems to be confirmed by the word see in the border. Adding the T itself and the face we can get a direction which says face east, So a possible interpretation of this small piece of this picture his face east but it is not confirmed
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Post by thisjustin on Dec 19, 2019 14:01:58 GMT -5
This. Is one of the reasons that this puzzle is so frustrating. There does not seem to be any good way to narrow down the possibilities of clue interpretations or even to define what really is a clue. No confirmations. There is a extremely simple solution to this puzzle which looks to be correct; i’m not sure that there are confirmations available. Also there appears to be a lot of specialized information in the puzzle which a person will only recognize by going outside of the book and I’m not sure what the purpose of that is either. I’ve also found places where there appear to be personal references for the authors like PEL and DAD And it’s not clear if these are also somehow to be used as clues or just there for the authors Back to the puzzle. On the treasure chest that is closed there is a T that has 1653 on it. Let’s take the numbers to represent the word face. Now the lines of the tea can be extended to intersect the letters in the border SEA which seems to be confirmed by the word see in the border. Adding the T itself and the face we can get a direction which says face east, So a possible interpretation of this small piece of this picture his face east but it is not confirmed You could get to the same conclusion in a simpler fashion as well. 1653 = Face The boards of the shipwreck = E Then you have a key touching an open treasure chest. Reading left to write you get "Face East key to treasure" You could then take the red/white item to the right of the chest to be a compass needle with the white half facing the chest suggesting we face not just East but also South, or South East. South East is of course the bottom border phrase on p. 23, and while the lobsterman is pointing up, he is looking down to these words. Use the X+C* on the "lock" to the treasure chest as instructions to "cross the sea" (XC) then "add a compass" (+*). Cross the sea to Bar Island then use your compass to find the South East corner. Happy Hunting!
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Post by astree on Dec 19, 2019 15:38:34 GMT -5
yes, there is an overflowing amount of combinations of information, i agree.
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Post by astree on Jan 13, 2020 14:59:51 GMT -5
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Post by pumalion on May 17, 2020 14:16:15 GMT -5
Ok. Time to prime the pump. Here's a message I sent to a friend over a year ago. It starts with a phrase from the Neptune / I rule the sea chapter:
I did a little bit of work with Fandango yesterday. I am still focused on that "To find gold, pearls and jewels..." pair of lines on p. 9. (It contains the letters for "Fandango riddle" and concludes with the phrase, "that's the key.") I decided to anagram the next phrase, "Which he used carefully." I kept getting semi-useful combinations that included the word, "Why." So I decided to look through the book to find any use of the word, "Why." This called my attention to the many, many times that questions are asked in the dialogue - I don't think I had noticed that before. In spite of all the questions, it appears that the word "why" is used only once. That seemed potentially significant. It's p. 25 where Celestia says, "Prithee why are you so spent." One of the possible coherent solutions for this phrase could include, "Sapphire eye . . . " So I thought about the instruction, "To find . . . jewels" and the introduction about the island being a jewel on a chain of stone. Maybe we are looking for jewels in the book? It seems so tangential, if relevant at all, but we have tried so many other approaches. I'll see where today's meanderings take me.
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Post by rarbowen on May 17, 2020 15:33:23 GMT -5
"WHY" is found in a couple of more places: "And that's why you, Fox, will more likely find Her whistling for you, past the timberline (41) and "No doubt — but why was I the meal he chose? (20).
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Post by ILLUMINATINPS on May 17, 2020 19:08:07 GMT -5
Well, the way Ive always interpreted that line (gold, pearls, and jewels), I pretty much thought he was talking about the open treasure chest on Neptunes image. Think about it, all 3 of those things are in his chest. Then you have the 4 symbols: The moon(Virgo pg 11) the compass (Harley) the X (Dames clock seconds hand) and the Cross (Fops flag cross). In its simplest form, those 4 pages are essential to getting the 3 mountains on Harleys map that were changed in the back, as well as the MASQUERADE EDAREUQSAM reflection with the 4x4s. Virgo holding the moon on pg 11 highlights that boomerang shape that connects the gold map segment with the giant L with the bottom of Jordan Pond(where Zodioses's image takes place). That L then occurs in identical shape and form inside the lettered 4x4 square at the tip of the triangle. So, if 3 of the symbols on the chest are crucial in getting MASQUERADE EDAREUQSAM, then whats up with Harley's map having 3 mountains changed in the back of the book by 1 foot. (Sargeant, Penobscot, and St Saveur)?? Well, Fops riddle talks about "One of Four, The Last in Line, Tradition carries, ALL in a name". If Harley's page has given us 3 mountains to focus on, then maybe there is a 4th. What is it?? CadiLLAc Mountain.
Why CadiLLAc? Tradition carries, meaning starting at ST Saveur, going mountain to mountain, they all increase in elevation (tradition carries). ALL in a name?? The word ALL is in the name CadiLLAc, except its backwards, hence the backwards MASQUEARDE for a hint. Sound crazy?? Then why is Fandango's eyes reflected on the camera page as well as Neptune and the Dolphin on the treasure chest page. Why when you take Cadillac's elevation and subtract it from 1653, you get 123 (count to three now smile). Why on Panhandle Sam's page (the Cadillac page), you get the phrase (See the SEA) and on the Treasure chest page the Dolphin is biting the word SEA. This all connects. To cap it off, the whole reflection concept comes to a head on Sam's page. He tells you to look towards the horizon. Whats on the horizon on his page? Reflecting Keys..
My opinion, the Master Riddle is hidden in the numbers of the sign posts on Sam's Page. Simply put, you have a riddle that says Numbers open the riddle. You have a concept of reflection that seems to bring you to Cadillac Mountain in the book. Seems to me that those numbers are crucial.
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Post by pumalion on May 18, 2020 8:38:10 GMT -5
"WHY" is found in a couple of more places: "And that's why you, Fox, will more likely find Her whistling for you, past the timberline (41) and "No doubt — but why was I the meal he chose? (20). Aha. Maybe this is why I dropped that line of thinking a year ago. Oh well.
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Post by pumalion on May 18, 2020 8:39:01 GMT -5
My opinion, the Master Riddle is hidden in the numbers of the sign posts on Sam's Page. Simply put, you have a riddle that says Numbers open the riddle. I like the idea of the sign post hiding the riddle.
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Post by pumalion on May 19, 2020 14:09:38 GMT -5
Another thought from another old private message. For approaching this illustration / chapter:
"My latest source of fascination is the lock on the treasure chest on the Neptune page. What if those symbols are a guide of some kind? We know that some illustrations have important corners, so the X could be telling us to look at diagonals somehow. Other illustrations have + elements - the straight lines of the flagpole or the R, O, S and E in the Nikon border. And we have pondered the letter C - on the belt of Zodiose and in the hand of Virgo. The star element as a hint would obviously direct our attention to the border stars. Do the four elements on the lock tell us that there are four types of clues in the illustrations? What about the 1653 on the other treasure chest?"
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