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Post by pumalion on Sept 18, 2019 20:41:46 GMT -5
I've always thought the apple was indicating which direction is down such as in 'down east.' I have wondered if this was possibly one of those "hidden numbers" - apple falling down, Sir Isaac Newton, the measure of gravity's acceleration equalling 9.8m/s^2 - which, at the very least, is the rate at which Fandango is falling to the ground I thought the falling apple was an Isaac Newton reference because the Isaac Newton page contained the solution to the armchair treasure hunt Masquerade which inspired many of the illustrations, if not the whole concept, of Fandango. I think this Measure of Gold page may contain the key to the puzzle, if we can figure out how to decode it. In Masquerade, the hare had to go in different directions as well as up and down before he could finish his journey. In Fandango, toward the end of the story, the fox goes up in the claws of the eagle and then falls back to the ocean.
If you look at the Isaac Newton illustration in Masquerade, you will see that the Old Lady and Harley Quinn contain elements that refer to the earlier image.
I don't think Masquerade will hold the answer to Fandango, but it may help us to zero in on what's important or helpful in Fandango.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2019 12:18:38 GMT -5
I have wondered if this was possibly one of those "hidden numbers" - apple falling down, Sir Isaac Newton, the measure of gravity's acceleration equalling 9.8m/s^2 - which, at the very least, is the rate at which Fandango is falling to the ground I thought the falling apple was an Isaac Newton reference because the Isaac Newton page contained the solution to the armchair treasure hunt Masquerade which inspired many of the illustrations, if not the whole concept, of Fandango. I think this Measure of Gold page may contain the key to the puzzle, if we can figure out how to decode it. In Masquerade, the hare had to go in different directions as well as up and down before he could finish his journey. In Fandango, toward the end of the story, the fox goes up in the claws of the eagle and then falls back to the ocean.
If you look at the Isaac Newton illustration in Masquerade, you will see that the Old Lady and Harley Quinn contain elements that refer to the earlier image.
I don't think Masquerade will hold the answer to Fandango, but it may help us to zero in on what's important or helpful in Fandango.
Thank you for this reply. I know most people working on this hunt are big Masquerade fans and admittedly, I did not know about or find this hunt from Masquerade before becoming interested in Fandango. I found tweleve and eventually this forum from my interest in the Cowboy treasure hunt years ago. Your take on this has helped me expand and has given me more to think about. I would by disappointed if, in the end, it turned out you couldn't solve Fandango without having studied Masquerade - especially because of his "all in the book" statements. I really do hope someone finds it and lets us all know the solution. With Pel's lack of communication in reference to this hunt, I fear that we might never know the solution after the end date. I hope I'm wrong about that...
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Post by pumalion on Oct 20, 2019 10:51:18 GMT -5
Have we made a systematic examination of the arrows on this page? 1. Apple arrow points straight down (due south?). Presumably an Isaac Newton allusion to the discovery of gravity. Linked to Sir Isaac illustration in Masquerade? 2. Behind the tropical fish / weathervane image, a bright green background piece looks like an arrow pointing to the letter F in the right border. 3. Orion's "arrow" in the constellation under the red eye. Points to the letter D in the border? 4a. Sagittarius arrow in orange circle departs from the usual representation of the symbol, which should point to higher realms. This points due east. 4b. Sagittarius figure points westward. 5. Instead of pointing up (due north, or toward the north star) the arrow in the big dipper image points to the border star at lower left. 6. Three tiny "one way" arrows point how to drive around the Park Loop road around Black Wood campground. 7. In the blue eye wedge, the small white blueprint arrow points toward the word "gold". Other things could be interpreted as arrows: - the hands of the pocket watch - the bow of the boat on the weathervane - the points of the compass rose - the line of vision in the eye diagram - the beam of light from the lighthouse - the one hand visible of the eight-limbed Vitruvian man - points on the border stars If there is a directional code (or another kind of code) or a system in these arrows, it could be a key to solving other illustrations and clues. Here is the next step in my thinking about the arrows on this page.
There is a wacky compass of some kind hidden in the text and illustrations. If we can figure out how to decode the compass, we can create a route for Fandango or decode the map that is the last illustration.
When I say "wacky," I am guessing that there are hints in images and words such as the mirror image compass on the Harley Quinn page, border phrases such as "topsy turvy" and "circle the globe", and directions to Fandango in the text such as "Go West" and "You head down east." The directions of Fandango's compass won't match "west = left", "north = top", "east = right" expectations most navigators would expect.
I think the "red, yellow, book" solution to the milestone signs is part of decoding the compass. On the back of the book there is a compass rose that is red and yellow. But the milestone signs are blue = red and red = yellow. This is another wacky compass clue where we have to substitute book logic for real word expectations. There may be additional information in the milestone signs, but I'm guessing the "red, yellow, book" clue is a solid hint about the back cover and the compass rose.
On a map, the "key" is the place where the mapmaker tells you what the symbols represent. The map key in Fandango (p. 56) tells us about lighthouses, anchorages and points of interest. When you really think about the island, though, there are many more anchorages than are marked on p. 56. Probably more lighthouses and points of interest, too. My thinking is that "solving" the key on the map is the way to find the treasure.
Which brings me back to the "A Measure of Gold, Hidden Away" illustration of a key. Fandango has told us that the way Neptune shaped the key out of precious items is "the key" (p. 9). He then says that simply seeing the key and experiencing its vibe exposes him to something "truer than all that's true."
I would welcome a focused discussion on decoding the elements of the illustration on p. 11, with the goal of deciphering Fandango's compass. Bringing in hints from other pages is fair game, if they relate to the compass idea.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2019 13:14:34 GMT -5
Have we made a systematic examination of the arrows on this page? 1. Apple arrow points straight down (due south?). Presumably an Isaac Newton allusion to the discovery of gravity. Linked to Sir Isaac illustration in Masquerade? 2. Behind the tropical fish / weathervane image, a bright green background piece looks like an arrow pointing to the letter F in the right border. 3. Orion's "arrow" in the constellation under the red eye. Points to the letter D in the border? 4a. Sagittarius arrow in orange circle departs from the usual representation of the symbol, which should point to higher realms. This points due east. 4b. Sagittarius figure points westward. 5. Instead of pointing up (due north, or toward the north star) the arrow in the big dipper image points to the border star at lower left. 6. Three tiny "one way" arrows point how to drive around the Park Loop road around Black Wood campground. 7. In the blue eye wedge, the small white blueprint arrow points toward the word "gold". Other things could be interpreted as arrows: - the hands of the pocket watch - the bow of the boat on the weathervane - the points of the compass rose - the line of vision in the eye diagram - the beam of light from the lighthouse - the one hand visible of the eight-limbed Vitruvian man - points on the border stars If there is a directional code (or another kind of code) or a system in these arrows, it could be a key to solving other illustrations and clues. Here is the next step in my thinking about the arrows on this page.
There is a wacky compass of some kind hidden in the text and illustrations. If we can figure out how to decode the compass, we can create a route for Fandango or decode the map that is the last illustration.
When I say "wacky," I am guessing that there are hints in images and words such as the mirror image compass on the Harley Quinn page, border phrases such as "topsy turvy" and "circle the globe", and directions to Fandango in the text such as "Go West" and "You head down east." The directions of Fandango's compass won't match "west = left", "north = top", "east = right" expectations most navigators would expect.
I think the "red, yellow, book" solution to the milestone signs is part of decoding the compass. On the back of the book there is a compass rose that is red and yellow. But the milestone signs are blue = red and red = yellow. This is another wacky compass clue where we have to substitute book logic for real word expectations. There may be additional information in the milestone signs, but I'm guessing the "red, yellow, book" clue is a solid hint about the back cover and the compass rose.
On a map, the "key" is the place where the mapmaker tells you what the symbols represent. The map key in Fandango (p. 56) tells us about lighthouses, anchorages and points of interest. When you really think about the island, though, there are many more anchorages than are marked on p. 56. Probably more lighthouses and points of interest, too. My thinking is that "solving" the key on the map is the way to find the treasure.
Which brings me back to the "A Measure of Gold, Hidden Away" illustration of a key. Fandango has told us that the way Neptune shaped the key out of precious items is "the key" (p. 9). He then says that simply seeing the key and experiencing its vibe exposes him to something "truer than all that's true."
I would welcome a focused discussion on decoding the elements of the illustration on p. 11, with the goal of deciphering Fandango's compass. Bringing in hints from other pages is fair game, if they relate to the compass idea.
What if you tried turning the page so that the arrow on the Big Dipper becomes the new "North" -- maybe then gather what directions the other arrows are pointing? If they align with the directions in the text, that might be useful. So, for starters, Southwest = North or North = Southwest. I imagine you thought of this already. But just in case, I thought I would post it. The compass on the map in the back is 90 degrees out from the one on the back cover as well - maybe you are onto something with the "wacky compass" theory.
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Post by rarbowen on Oct 25, 2019 18:20:01 GMT -5
Has anyone found a topo map that was used for the maps on this page? I thought I had remembered someone finding it years ago, but after looking back through Tweleve and this forum, I have been unable to find that information.
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Post by pumalion on Oct 30, 2019 18:37:24 GMT -5
What if you tried turning the page so that the arrow on the Big Dipper becomes the new "North" -- maybe then gather what directions the other arrows are pointing? If they align with the directions in the text, that might be useful. So, for starters, Southwest = North or North = Southwest. I imagine you thought of this already. But just in case, I thought I would post it. The compass on the map in the back is 90 degrees out from the one on the back cover as well - maybe you are onto something with the "wacky compass" theory. Big dipper arrow = north – points to border star (also wind figure, Capricorn, park loop) Vitruvian man hand = south – points to cancer crab symbol Orion constellation arrow = west – points to piano keys, letter D in WIND Park loop road arrows = east – point to the word MEASURE Apple arrow would be northwest – points to apple and/or cancer crab symbol Sagittarius arrow would be southwest – points to centaur and piano keys White blueprint arrow would be northeast – points to Taurus, key, the word GOLD Bright green background arrow would also be southwest – points to F in FOR No southeast? The sailboat mast? Points to wind figure and Aquarius symbol. As you can see, I couldn't find a good arrow for southeast. The sailboat mast was the strongest "pointer" I could identify. I suppose it's no less strong than the hand of the Vitruvian man. If this is correct, though, what is the next layer of meaning to uncover? My guess was that each arrow or compass director points to something we should use as a decoder. Two of the arrows point to the crab symbol, for instance. We have a crab in the illustration on p. 23 and a reference to "crabby what's-his-name" on p. 54. Should we pay attention to these crab references with reference to south and northwest directions? The park loop arrows (two of them are parallel) point to the word MEASURE. When we find a hint about EAST, maybe we are supposed to measure or count something? The lobsterman tells Fandango, "You head down east." But we already have a crab on that page!? But the crab is pointing to the word EAST in the border.
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Post by astree on Dec 23, 2019 11:08:46 GMT -5
. Coming off and to the right of A in “A MEASURE”
A R..oad R...am O... (shape of green symcol) W..ind
then the ted arrow
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Post by astree on Dec 23, 2019 11:17:32 GMT -5
. Not onlt do the watch hand point to DAD / ADD in the border, they also point to
P F ..lag S..hip
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Post by astree on Dec 24, 2019 13:49:23 GMT -5
. Previously shown that red and gold keys give directions
The end letters of A GIFT FOR THE WIND
AT RED A T RED ( read )
The red key corresponds to the T
TREAD
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first guess on red circles
A (@pple) S (sail, scale)
M / L moon, mouth, watch hand shape ) I / E ( eye ) L / M( moon, lighthouse )
E ( eagle )
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Post by astree on Jan 4, 2020 9:50:14 GMT -5
. Part of a decode I got of the 4 x 4 grid Using letter colors, in spectral order ( rainbow ) PASE (red) - red is ued to get attention, and pase is an attention getting word QUAT (orange) hm (green) - hectometers (next, hint, note fandangos ref to “cinder”) PASE 4 hectometers r. Hectometer can be considered a practical unit for measuring small distances or the dimensions of relatively large objects like very large premises, large water reservoirs, small pool length, etc. Along with linear measurement, hectometer is sometimes used as a unit of volumetric measurement. www.conversion-metric.org/length/hectometer-to-feet
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Post by astree on Jan 4, 2020 10:40:11 GMT -5
. TEA FOR TWO
the T shape on p. 11 beginning at 4,2 letter T
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grid, first line
HAS ER ... FLOWER HAS RE ... measure SEA HR ... 4 on the watch
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