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Post by Jenny on Jun 25, 2018 8:02:33 GMT -5
Page 40
Border Phrases:
A Feast Of Words And Pie Pass The Time Tea for Two
Lady in window of cottage with tea
Red Letter Word: WISDOM (Blue S and O)
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Post by jonsey1 on Sept 4, 2018 21:34:15 GMT -5
Sorry if its been mentioned already...but amyone make anything the 18 in the magic square? It is actually 2 different colors. The 8 is green.
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Post by susb8383 on Sept 6, 2018 20:56:59 GMT -5
I did find a solution to something involving that 4x4. I'll probably post it at some point. But I have found nothing at all that involved the newspaper.
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Post by jonsey1 on Sept 6, 2018 22:35:27 GMT -5
Maybe part of a key to that is how they number squares are each weighted to higher or lower numbers. Makes it look like he drew the 4×4 , marked off two blank spaces (spots may be important) then quickly numbered the one on pg 12 randomly up from 0-8, then matched the 19s in the on page 17, numbered the remaining down from 19-13, then just filled in the final corresponding numbers back on the first, and built the letter square off that (would have been quickest most natural way)
That being said, to me, maybe makes whats important the position/meaning of the blank squares or the choice of "19" total (20#s including the zero). Seems the puzzle was constructed with those two things set in stone then built around.
With the blank squares, one is a POI...that one corresponds with the "I" (eye?).
If just the masquerade hint..Its really not a very hard puzzle with OR without the blank spots, so I wonder... if the whole point was just the "C MASQUERADE HINT"...why bother with the blank spots- they certainly don't increase the difficulty. That leads me to believe if there is any actual hint in there, maybe the masquerade message ITSELF is the red herring- to distract from the "I" (which is also pointed to/covered in situ on page 11)...or something with the 19.
He could easily have put any message he wanted in there as a herring. All he needed was for an I to fit somewhere. Masquerade would have been a great choice for a nod.
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Post by ILLUMINATINPS on Sept 7, 2018 4:13:14 GMT -5
I agree, its probably just an easy match up for Masquerade. I do highly doubt the news paper 4x4 is like the sand 4x4 in Masquerade. This is only because there really isn't a way to go straight through every illustration and see how many letters are from each picture. If that were true then the first illustration would have 18 letters, thats almost have the border phrase. And thats even if Fandango is a sentence driven riddle in the first place.
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Post by jonsey1 on Sept 7, 2018 9:58:02 GMT -5
I dont think they "gave the same message twice once in reversal"...I think for some reason they wanted to use the number 19. They started numbering at 0 to achieve this and made all identical placed squares add up to it. Naturally one square will read backwards. The thing is you dont need to know the highest # is 19 or that the 2 squares add to 19 in each identical spot to solve for C MASQUERADE HINT....either one would just do it (forward or backwards) independently....thats why I think maybe the C MASQUERADE is just a distraction from solving for the empty squares (if the theres anything there)
Oddly, if you number the alphabet starting at 0 instead of one "T" is also the 19th letter of the alphabet. He MAY have gone with 19 because he used an A as zero...leaving the highest letter in the letter square to cap out at 19. Which came first the chicken (19 as number) or the egg (19 as letter) is debatable...I tend to lean towards T as the 19th letter governing how the numbers were placed because of the "Tea for Two", with TWO magic squares adding to 19 in all spots but not 100% confident.
In my own feeble attempt (dont want to reveal how I got it yet just because I'm not sure and dont want to bias different approaches...still exploring and looking for ideas) ...I'm coming up with 8 and 11 for the POI and its counterpart...(still working on the missing letters and playing with color)...could the 11 be another hint to II (eyes?) If so maybe an orange or red 11 works for all eyes in the fire? (The ones are written like I'd)...at that point though I'm aware its just exploring and playing with loose connections waiting for somethings to click or pop firmly into place...leaving the C MASQUERADE behind as basically just filler and distraction for the real point. (Whatever it is. If its anything. Lol.)
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Post by wgardner on Jun 6, 2019 14:43:17 GMT -5
An odd thing about this page:
The clock on the wall. If you look closely at it, there are only 4 "ticks" between each major number instead of the normal 5 "ticks" so there are 48 ticks around the entire clock instead of the normal 60. This could mean that the minute hand is actually only pointing to 4 (not 5) and the second hand is pointing to 46 (not 57 or 58)...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2019 16:18:34 GMT -5
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Post by astree on Jun 9, 2019 9:04:45 GMT -5
. A bit more on this
The bottom border letters sound like “T 4 2” and the grid has a 4 and 2 contained in a T which numbers some to 42
(The 2,4 flower petal polybius on p. 19, which is sum of corresponding grid numbers p. 19 and 40, corresponds to I in polybius... this is next to EYE, but no strong tie in here except possibly the 2 4)
The bottom border white letters anagram to AFTER TWO. After 2 is 3, as shown in grid sequence (and could relate to “count to three” or p. 23. So, 4 comes next.
The 4 whte letter at top anagram to (window) PANE
Just pointing out some of the 4 on this page.
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Post by astree on Aug 20, 2019 6:43:10 GMT -5
. The grids have many uses, both on their own page and interconnected.
Heres an example i havent seen mentioned
Left column (goes with left border)
Use the top half of grid to count letters starting at top if page, bottom half start at bottom. Ralative and absolute counts shown
8. 3. 1. ? T. E. A ? (relative) T. R. A. ? (absolute)
TEA ART
the TEA 4 2 grid T containing 4 and 2 sum to 42
does it end there?
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Post by astree on Aug 20, 2019 6:52:25 GMT -5
. The clock hands point to GREEN O, and there is a green O in the grid.
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Post by astree on Jan 4, 2020 11:03:11 GMT -5
. A bit more on this The bottom border letters sound like “T 4 2” and the grid has a 4 and 2 contained in a T which numbers sum to 42 the corresponding squares from p. 11 are (Pink) AS HER www.dictionary.com/browse/pink?s=t4 the highest form or degree; prime:
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