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Post by jonsey1 on Sept 2, 2018 7:54:57 GMT -5
Or maybe I should have titled this "Random spewing of thoughts of Myths and Tails, Juxtaposed! "
I don't see the real mythology/tale of Neptune posted anywhere, but have always gravitated towards it (and the north star maybe) playing a role in finding some answers. Not to mention how those pesky dolphins do fascinate me. So I figured I'd paste it here. Seems like fox has been stealing their thunder in his retelling! Haha
Incidentally the Aeolus (wind gods)(is that them on the map??) has some (and is missing a few) letters in its REFLECTION at the Thurstons lobster pound (IMO on the place) picture . (Fox later finding his Reflection in both the camera and the Key pool thing at the end) Id like to take that somewhere also, though not firmly tied to the following tale. Just dont want to start a whole new post about real god tales tied into the story.
Marriage of Neptune
The story of the courtship of Neptune and Salacia (counterpart of the Greek Amphitrite) started on the island called Naxos in the Aegean Sea. Salacia was dancing with her sisters, and the moment Neptune saw her, he decided he wanted her as his wife. Unfortunately for the love-struck god, the goddess wasn’t interested in his proposal or giving up her life as a sea virgin and she ran off to the Atlas mountains to hide.
Being the persistent type, Neptune summoned Delphinus, the dolphin king, to find the goddess and persuade her to marry him. The smart and gentle natured dolphin set off on the mission. After weeks of searching finally found her. The dolphin was such a lovely creature that Salacia was drawn to him and listened to his persuasion. Delphinus explained that her steadiness would balance the volatile nature of Neptune and if she married him there would be harmony in the sea and joy for all. As a reward for bringing his bride, the god placed an image of Delphinus in the heavens. The constellation is located on the northern sky close to the celestial equator.
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Post by jonsey1 on Sept 2, 2018 8:03:04 GMT -5
Oh yeah...and the Atlas mountains/ Atlas in the Jessup Library picture (again just IMO on the place insert whatever library or even Great Head if you prefer or think differently)...could this also be a hint to the Tale?
(I, obviously, am hung up on Follow my tail (tale?) Instructions in the beginning)
I see a myth/tale, a fairy tale, a whale tale, a fisherman's/fish tale, an old wives tale, a tail/tale misspelled in the border, and a tall-tale teller, all throughout the book
This whole post should probably be a few separate threads, but my brain lacks the ability to separate them into cohesive units. Lol. Sorry.
(Also Tail Lights on the camper and Tail Fins on the caddy and dolphins, and Treasure (and other) Tales in the library but not sure how I feel about their being intentional vs. incidental)
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Post by jonsey1 on Sept 2, 2018 9:10:47 GMT -5
** delphinius also (IMO) appears upside down as a constellation on the top right on the giant key mural page 11, though im no astronomer and may be mistaken.
Coincidentally, the myth above isnt the ONLY common myth with delphinius....though the Fox seems to have told a tale curiously interchanginging characters and themes from both of them as he weaves himself inside. If ANYTHING I think it provides at minimal, some insight into the reading material and subjects the author was researching when creating the riddles and the hunt.
In the other myth, it was Apollo, the god of poetry and music, who placed the dolphin among the constellations for saving the life of Arion, a poet and musician born on the island of Lesbos whose skill with the lyre made him famous in the 7th century BC.
Arion was sailing back to Greece after a concert tour of southern Italy when the sailors who were also on the ship started plotting to kill him and take the money he had earned.
Surrounded, Arion asked them to let him sing one last song. The sailors allowed this, and Arion’s music drew several dolphins to the ship. As he played, the dolphins swam alongside the ship and Arion decided to take a leap of faith and he jumped overboard.
One of the dolphins carried him all the way back to Greece. Later, Arion confronted the sailors and had them sentenced to death. In this version of the myth, Apollo placed the dolphin next to the constellation Lyra in the sky, and Lyra represents Arion’s lyre.
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Post by stiparest on Sept 5, 2018 17:57:24 GMT -5
** delphinius also (IMO) appears upside down as a constellation on the top right on the giant key mural page 11, though im no astronomer and may be mistaken. jonsey1 - Funny, I just asked about this constellation on the Measure of Gold thread. I have compared it to both Vulpecula - the fox, and to Delphinius - the dolphin, and although they are similar, I cannot make either of them totally fit the stars shown in that corner, so I don't think it is either of them. The other constellations on the page are the two most recognized in the sky - Ursa Major (Big Dipper) and Orion. Aries (upper left corner) isn't as known, but they included the head of the ram to identify it. So what is this unknown constellation in the upper right and does it matter if we have to research it to find out?
Also, the Neptune myth you've included follows both this story and Masquerade very closely. Both have an entity trying to connect with a love that is out of reach and they use an animal as their messenger. In Masquerade it's the sun in love with the moon and a hare is the messenger. In Fandango, Neptune is in love with a Wind Goddess and a fox is the messenger. And in the story you found, Neptune is in love with a sea virgin and a dolphin is the messenger. Looking at Fandango, they have pulled in aspects of all these stories. The fairies follow the light, there's the moon and a moon shadow. The fox has 2 sunsets to deliver the key. The Masquerade hare is in the fire illustration. The dolphins carry Neptune and later, the fox.
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Post by jonsey1 on Sept 5, 2018 23:11:42 GMT -5
So much interesting atuff to look at! Thanks for the ideas  I, too, wasn't sure about the constellation being the dolphin (as the one in the drawing has 2 extra stars trailing off in a zig zag at the end, but when I looked a little deeper it appears that the two extra stars ARE indeed part of the dolphin constellation. They are l-del and K-del....though they appear in most all pictures and lists of stars in the constellation, they aren't generally drawn in with the lines. I have wondered (when I saw how stars are names with letters) if somehow the stars themselves could spell out a code, but my brain hurts to delve into that complicates territory. On other tangents ive looked into the Fox constellation and do find it most interesting how its been considered as both together as a part of, and separate from the one above it. Overlapping at the point of the goose....Id be lying if i said I hadn't dont a bit of Goose Marsh Point searching and investigating, but I wont bore you with the tangential reasons as to why. |
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Post by stiparest on Sept 7, 2018 16:05:25 GMT -5
** delphinius also (IMO) appears upside down as a constellation on the top right on the giant key mural page 11, though I'm no astronomer and may be mistaken. jonsey1 - Funny, I just asked about this constellation on the Measure of Gold thread. I have compared it to both Vulpecula - the fox, and to Delphinius - the dolphin, and although they are similar, I cannot make either of them totally fit the stars shown in that corner, so I don't think it is either of them. The other constellations on the page are the two most recognized in the sky - Ursa Major (Big Dipper) and Orion. Aries (upper left corner) isn't as known, but they included the head of the ram to identify it. So what is this unknown constellation in the upper right and does it matter if we have to research it to find out?
I dug through some of my old pictures and found this - my comparison of Vulpecula (Fox), Delphinus (Dolphin) and the constellation in the upper right corner of page 11. I had to reverse Delphinus to get it to match the shape of the picture, but to be honest, I didn't think either one was a close enough match to the one in Fandango. It's interesting, though, that a star in Vulpecula is called "Anser!" Attachments:
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Post by ILLUMINATINPS on Sept 7, 2018 17:00:03 GMT -5
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Post by jonsey1 on Sept 7, 2018 17:48:40 GMT -5
^ love the side by side!! Thank you for sharing!!
Another cool thing about Anser is that THATS the star it shares with the goose.
And the arrow on the dipper IS used to find the north star, but its relative position/angle is ALSO used to tell time as it rotates aroung the North .
This stuff makes my head explode, but I love it!
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Post by astree on Sept 8, 2018 7:28:29 GMT -5
I believe that the authors loved to put in lots of information that can be pursued as external references but end up being confusing. All the information you need should be in the puzzle. There may be something here but I think it’s mostly for fun. Check out where they put Leo on the page with the fairies The link is not working but if I recall those two stars are called pointers. I don’t think you need to know that to work with the information on this page. The authors can confound the searcher by using external information to confuse the puzzle solving process. In the upper right hand side of this page there is an arrow which comes down from the a and points to the Apple. I believe this information is usable as contained in the puzzle. Either by inference or by common knowledge that A is for Apple Returning to the arrow on the star formation which we with external information know is the dipper or some representation there of The arrow is pointing to (A)ntelope which may require external information to determine however by extending the arrow we see that the star arrow is pointing to the star in the corner which precedes the letters (A)ME (asure of gold) The key is pointing to KEE. so we can guess that the arrow could be indicating AIM. But my general point is that we don’t need to go off the page or outside of the book to gain information which can be useful note: take away from this is that the stars may be used as pointers as others have already posted we can work with the corner stars as pointers too |
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Post by astree on Sept 8, 2018 8:19:06 GMT -5
There is another bent pointer coming off the L on the contour map and pointing to the A of (keeps)AKE
so, the A again
L keeps AKE
LAKE
the process starts at a body of water on the contour map where the L is, a lake?
and an eagle nearby
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