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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2018 17:39:58 GMT -5
So -
I wanted to start a thread dedicated to the "process of elimination"
Here are a few ideas of things we can possibly rule out (?):
-- The fish in the bucket are "herring" on the lobsterman page -- The bird on the lobsterman page is a "herring" gull -- The Old dame's sweater has a "herring" bone pattern to it (which is normal for a knit sweater but the detail of it leads me to believe its intentional)
Anyone else have any ideas of things we can stop looking at?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2018 18:06:06 GMT -5
Oh -- I forgot
-- The "FISHE" spelled out on Old Fop's newspaper -- to me this is a another reason to disregard the 4x4 squares; which I know is controversial on these forums as most people are convinced they mean something - but I'm not convinced of this. Mostly because in order to believe that any Masquerade solve will help requires the people participating who are not familiar with Masquerade (such as myself) to look outside the book and gain that knowledge. I would not have known any of the masquerade stuff if it wasn't for all the focus on those squares. To me, the old dame's sweater and FISH-E in the newspaper point to the 4x4 being a red herring/time waster. IMO.
-- IMO also, I think we can rule out anything to do with zodiac stuff - this is simply because the first zodiac sign on page 11 is Taurus, the bull -- which I took literally -- "bull". Again, my opinion.
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Post by stiparest on Sept 25, 2018 13:25:15 GMT -5
Oh -- I forgot -- The "FISHE" spelled out on Old Fop's newspaper -- to me this is a another reason to disregard the 4x4 squares; which I know is controversial on these forums as most people are convinced they mean something - but I'm not convinced of this. Mostly because in order to believe that any Masquerade solve will help requires the people participating who are not familiar with Masquerade (such as myself) to look outside the book and gain that knowledge. I would not have known any of the masquerade stuff if it wasn't for all the focus on those squares. To me, the old dame's sweater and FISH-E in the newspaper point to the 4x4 being a red herring/time waster. IMO. -- IMO also, I think we can rule out anything to do with zodiac stuff - this is simply because the first zodiac sign on page 11 is Taurus, the bull -- which I took literally -- "bull". Again, my opinion. These are good observations, and I've wondered too, about the red herring/ fishy idea. I knew Taurus was the bull, but hadn't made the connection to it representing 'a load of bull' as in Sam's quote, "The tallest load of bull..." which would definitely put it in the red herring category. I also doubt that CMasquerade means we have to know anything about the book Masquerade. IMO that phrase was a convenient way to show how the numbers needed to be in order 1,2,3,4,5 = blue, pink, orange, yellow & red for the Star Code, and also give a nod to a book they enjoyed as children and that was the inspiration for Fandango. I know a lot of people disagree, and everybody has their own ideas on how this will all play out, but I agree with illuminatinps that this is much simpler than everyone is making it out to be. Can't see the forest for the trees and all that! Every little mark can't be meaningful, although we see connections everywhere, and we have to be careful not to cherry pick what we think is relevant, and ignore what we can't make fit.
IMO there needs to be a method that can be applied consistently. There may be more than one method, but whatever one is used, I feel it needs to be consistent in its application, The star code is consistent. Two blue star points point to specific letters that spell out NUMBERS, and the same goes for the other colors, although I admit the spelling of some words isn't perfect. The Blue/ Red/ White signs are consistent throughout all the signs, spelling out Red, Yellow and Book. To me, these are real clues - there are no 'excepts' or pulling a letter from one page and adding it to a number from another page and adding the color of a door on another page to make something fit. I know how hard it is to make up a simple puzzle and adding a million layers of meaningful randomness is pretty hard to do - and unnecessary, because even trying to keep it simple, people make leaps of understanding and add levels of difficulty that you never intended.
I tried to make a consistent connection between the Blue/ Red/ White signs and the Blue/ Red/ White eyes in the illustrations. I had some early successes, but have not been able to get anything to work consistently. IMO if it works on two pages, but not on any others, I can't call it a useful method. It's probably just coincidence, or I haven't figured out the right 'ground rules' yet!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2018 18:18:40 GMT -5
I agree with you that I think it's probably simpler than we think -- because there is so much detail in the images and the text has so much in it as well, it easy to go down paths that lead nowhere. That's why everyone is here, right . I will say that I did the star code a few times and have come out with a few different letters than what's posted on this site. I'm not sure what to make of it -- the only thing I know for sure is that if you are not incredibly precise, you get letters you shouldn't. I also have a slight issue with the Red/White/Blue signs thing -- only because the white signs spell out Book but there's also the N from Nepal. So, it's not exactly consistent -- just with the white signs, though. I do wish I could find some sort of consistency. I have anagramed the crap out of the letters and can create all kinds of messages that span the island. I just don't get it because it's been mentioned that "you'll know when you solve it" and I thought I had some good stuff, but -- nope. I had another thought today on the "herring" track -- The "not a friend (no friend?) of chickens" line might be a red herring indicator as well -- chicken = fowl = foul? Maybe this is foul?
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Post by Jenny on Sept 26, 2018 7:10:12 GMT -5
I agree with you that I think it's probably simpler than we think -- because there is so much detail in the images and the text has so much in it as well, it easy to go down paths that lead nowhere. That's why everyone is here, right . I will say that I did the star code a few times and have come out with a few different letters than what's posted on this site. I'm not sure what to make of it -- the only thing I know for sure is that if you are not incredibly precise, you get letters you shouldn't. I also have a slight issue with the Red/White/Blue signs thing -- only because the white signs spell out Book but there's also the N from Nepal. So, it's not exactly consistent -- just with the white signs, though. I do wish I could find some sort of consistency. I have anagramed the crap out of the letters and can create all kinds of messages that span the island. I just don't get it because it's been mentioned that "you'll know when you solve it" and I thought I had some good stuff, but -- nope. I had another thought today on the "herring" track -- The "not a friend (no friend?) of chickens" line might be a red herring indicator as well -- chicken = fowl = foul? Maybe this is foul? Just a quick note on the White signs and the word BOOK from them. The N, from the sign Nepal, isn't pointing in any direction, like the other four signs which give BOOK, so it does feel separate. I feel this could be a nudge that it is N BOOK or since N is the 14th letter of the alphabet (and we know he uses this from the license plate on the same page), maybe it is the 14th BOOK, which on the shelf happens to be 'Treasure Island'. Or maybe the 'N'/14' hints to something else. Like the 14th page of the book-- or something... just tossing ideas out.
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Post by astree on Sept 26, 2018 8:40:45 GMT -5
I agree with you that I think it's probably simpler than we think -- because there is so much detail in the images and the text has so much in it as well, it easy to go down paths that lead nowhere. That's why everyone is here, right . I will say that I did the star code a few times and have come out with a few different letters than what's posted on this site. I'm not sure what to make of it -- the only thing I know for sure is that if you are not incredibly precise, you get letters you shouldn't. I also have a slight issue with the Red/White/Blue signs thing -- only because the white signs spell out Book but there's also the N from Nepal. So, it's not exactly consistent -- just with the white signs, though. I do wish I could find some sort of consistency. I have anagramed the crap out of the letters and can create all kinds of messages that span the island. I just don't get it because it's been mentioned that "you'll know when you solve it" and I thought I had some good stuff, but -- nope. I had another thought today on the "herring" track -- The "not a friend (no friend?) of chickens" line might be a red herring indicator as well -- chicken = fowl = foul? Maybe this is foul? Just a quick note on the White signs and the word BOOK from them. The N, from the sign Nepal, isn't pointing in any direction, like the other four signs which give BOOK, so it does feel separate. I feel this could be a nudge that it is N BOOK or since N is the 14th letter of the alphabet (and we know he uses this from the license plate on the same page), maybe it is the 14th BOOK, which on the shelf happens to be 'Treasure Island'. Or maybe the 'N'/14' hints to something else. Like the 14th page of the book-- or something... just tossing ideas out. Hi Jenny, I got the 14th book as a white book (which would go with the white N BOOK a PLANE to NEPAL lol). Top shelf has 12 books, I think. [ Talking about the shelves, the (herring?) FISH on lobsterman page that is being discussed codes to ELFISH using one of the coding methods on that page, interesting because the michevious fairies come next, but also because it anagrams to I SHELF. ] but a simpler code is just to read all the white books on the p. 30 in succession ... the last one is a kicker. astree
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Post by Jenny on Sept 26, 2018 8:48:11 GMT -5
Just a quick note on the White signs and the word BOOK from them. The N, from the sign Nepal, isn't pointing in any direction, like the other four signs which give BOOK, so it does feel separate. I feel this could be a nudge that it is N BOOK or since N is the 14th letter of the alphabet (and we know he uses this from the license plate on the same page), maybe it is the 14th BOOK, which on the shelf happens to be 'Treasure Island'. Or maybe the 'N'/14' hints to something else. Like the 14th page of the book-- or something... just tossing ideas out. Hi Jenny, I got the 14th book as a white book (which would go with the white N BOOK a PLANE to NEPAL lol). Top shelf has 12 books, I think. [ Talking about the shelves, the (herring?) FISH on lobsterman page that is being discussed codes to ELFISH using one of the coding methods on that page, interesting because the michevious fairies come next, but also because it anagrams to I SHELF. ] but a simpler code is just to read all the white books on the p. 30 in succession ... the last one is a kicker. astree I think the 'item' with the 1957 is a Wine Bottle... not a book....but not sure...
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Post by astree on Sept 26, 2018 11:24:20 GMT -5
thanks, Jenny. i think you're right about that.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2018 16:59:19 GMT -5
I agree with you that I think it's probably simpler than we think -- because there is so much detail in the images and the text has so much in it as well, it easy to go down paths that lead nowhere. That's why everyone is here, right . I will say that I did the star code a few times and have come out with a few different letters than what's posted on this site. I'm not sure what to make of it -- the only thing I know for sure is that if you are not incredibly precise, you get letters you shouldn't. I also have a slight issue with the Red/White/Blue signs thing -- only because the white signs spell out Book but there's also the N from Nepal. So, it's not exactly consistent -- just with the white signs, though. I do wish I could find some sort of consistency. I have anagramed the crap out of the letters and can create all kinds of messages that span the island. I just don't get it because it's been mentioned that "you'll know when you solve it" and I thought I had some good stuff, but -- nope. I had another thought today on the "herring" track -- The "not a friend (no friend?) of chickens" line might be a red herring indicator as well -- chicken = fowl = foul? Maybe this is foul? Just a quick note on the White signs and the word BOOK from them. The N, from the sign Nepal, isn't pointing in any direction, like the other four signs which give BOOK, so it does feel separate. I feel this could be a nudge that it is N BOOK or since N is the 14th letter of the alphabet (and we know he uses this from the license plate on the same page), maybe it is the 14th BOOK, which on the shelf happens to be 'Treasure Island'. Or maybe the 'N'/14' hints to something else. Like the 14th page of the book-- or something... just tossing ideas out. Ahhh, ok. I see the possibility of that now. Thanks!
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