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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2018 17:07:01 GMT -5
I imagine FF's reverie holds an endless bounty of memories and treasures; his family being the dearest and greatest of them all. I also visualize a cherished place dedicated in his name which will one day preserve his personal collection of rare books, historical objects, artistic pieces, paintings and recordings of experiences and times. Imagine being near a warm and cozy fireplace at the same time! Being the architect he is; the blue prints of an entire lifetime will not be unfamiliar to those his life has touched a long the way of a most fascinating and versed journey. What a glowing and 'special place' very likely already exists. Somewhere over FF's rainbow will become a very real place for children of all ages.
Yes like Forrest would take his family to ski Santa fe. This is a spacial place to rest your bones. Some where you know your family members will return to years after.
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Post by The Wolf on Oct 25, 2018 18:35:35 GMT -5
Personally, I have felt warm waters could be of a thermal type nature because of the following Featured Question and Answer posted on MW in 2014: mysteriouswritings.com/featured-questions-with-forrest-warm-waters-and-geography/The Q/A was: Someone unfamiliar with your poem receives a message that says “meet me where warm waters halt, somewhere in the mountains north of Santa Fe”. Would they be able to work out where to go? If they can’t, would they need the whole poem, another stanza, or just a line or word to help them on their way? ~Phil Bayman . There are a few words in the poem that are not useful in finding the treasure Phil, but it is risky to discount any of them. You over simplify the clues. There are many places in the Rocky Mountains where warm waters halt, and nearly all of them are north of Santa Fe. Look at the big picture, there are no short cuts. f There are 'MANY' thermal features north of Santa Fe...... Jenny et all, I have always believed we are looking for a thermal feature and your quote above is the strongest evidence supported by Mr. Fenn. However, I have zero confidence in any rumour especially third party information. I refuse to believe Mr. Fenn would ever provide such detail to an individual searcher, for it would be unfair and would compromise the chase. Mr. Fenn has shown fairly consistent reliability in his ethics as far as providing information to other searchers. He slipped up once and then levelled the playing field with a public declaration that WWWH is not a dam. With that said, many searchers attempt to trick, seduce, charm or get close to him in order to gain an advantage. I feel this is cheating and unethical, but that is just my opinion. I am sure Mr. Fenn is well aware of those who attempt such tactics and he has a way of providing them "an answer." He has said as much. Then there is the context of which the searcher reads into his words and then interprets with their personal bias. This is extremely dangerous and is not reliable. Just think of all the different interpretations to Mr. Fenn's words on this website. Why place any confidence in third party information?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2018 19:07:11 GMT -5
It's been rumored through the youtube channels that Forrest shared with some searchers that Warm Waters is a Thermal Type clue. For instance, instead of it being like a name, 'red (warm color) river', it is decided by the touch and the waters feeling 'warm'-- like the Firehole River or other thermal type waters. It is up to each searcher to decide whether this is accurate information and to be taken into account. It seems to have been said in just 'conversation', and not necessarily stated as absolute fact, but assumed as such. Forrest said none of the clues are misleading. So if I use warm for my waters then am I being,mislead if I use warm waters then there's a thermal change in the water. If water isn't a solid then its in a thermal state.
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Post by van on Oct 25, 2018 20:44:03 GMT -5
If the rumor is true (warm to the touch), then the snow on top of mountains or the streams of melting water in the Spring are not WWWH. These types of waters are not warm to the touch; not even close. Water does not feel warm until it reaches a temperature above 100F. WWWH would have to be associated with a hot spring or maybe a hot tub even...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2018 6:45:06 GMT -5
If the rumor is true (warm to the touch), then the snow on top of mountains or the streams of melting water in the Spring are not WWWH. These types of waters are not warm to the touch; not even close. Water does not feel warm until it reaches a temperature above 100F. WWWH would have to be associated with a hot spring or maybe a hot tub even... Warm waters can be cold to the touch It is waters that doesn't freeze up. But where do they halt at in the mountains
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Post by goldwatch on Oct 26, 2018 12:50:37 GMT -5
If the rumor is true (warm to the touch), then the snow on top of mountains or the streams of melting water in the Spring are not WWWH. These types of waters are not warm to the touch; not even close. Water does not feel warm until it reaches a temperature above 100F. WWWH would have to be associated with a hot spring or maybe a hot tub even... Warm waters can be cold to the touch It is waters that doesn't freeze up. But where do they halt at in the mountains I think you're right. Maybe I'll put on my thermal underwear and go ask an Eskimo sitting in his igloo what "thermal" means. lol Everything Forrest says is a riddle. This "hint" didn't tell us anything.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2018 12:54:56 GMT -5
Warm waters can be cold to the touch It is waters that doesn't freeze up. But where do they halt at in the mountains I think you're right. Maybe I'll put on my thermal underwear and go ask an Eskimo sitting in his igloo what "thermal" means. lol Everything Forrest says is a riddle. This "hint" didn't tell us anything. You could be right making something out of nothing.☺
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Post by goldwatch on Oct 26, 2018 13:01:39 GMT -5
I think you're right. Maybe I'll put on my thermal underwear and go ask an Eskimo sitting in his igloo what "thermal" means. lol Everything Forrest says is a riddle. This "hint" didn't tell us anything. You could be right making something out of nothing.☺ Is this Forrest?
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Post by lookinup on Oct 26, 2018 14:17:55 GMT -5
A WWWH by any other name:
*Minerva Terrace*
A lovely example.
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Post by britchaser on Nov 19, 2018 16:45:49 GMT -5
@jenny Did Forrest reply at all?
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Post by Jenny on Nov 19, 2018 17:35:55 GMT -5
@jenny Did Forrest reply at all? No response on that. I did just receive in the mail the 'special doodles' From Forrest that will be on the Medallions though! Exciting...!
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Post by CJ on Nov 26, 2018 13:29:03 GMT -5
This really is the quintessential question, isn't it? If any or all of us figured that out, I would imagine that we would be very close to solving the rest of it. My personal opinion was always that it required more imagination than the firehole river or a hot spring. I used to think that warm waters halt when you die - and so I always defaulted to Marvin, and Temple - as the starting point. In some ways, I still believe that. I was also very keen on Oh!'s 109 degree idea - which is also very imaginative. Could it be a dead geyser or something? Sure. But I think that like many other things that there is a double meaning in this clue. One which gets you to the right place, and another that is the actual "feature" at the place for confirmation.
To merge the 109 and death ideas - consider that the grave of Sacajawea is very close to the actual 109/43 mark. I believe that something like this double meaning is the answer for all 9 clues...
I do hope someone figures it out in my lifetime. I'd love to know what the right answer was. I do think that the only way this will ever be solved is if the top searchers get together as a group and share.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2018 13:38:23 GMT -5
This really is the quintessential question, isn't it? If any or all of us figured that out, I would imagine that we would be very close to solving the rest of it. My personal opinion was always that it required more imagination than the firehole river or a hot spring. I used to think that warm waters halt when you die - and so I always defaulted to Marvin, and Temple - as the starting point. In some ways, I still believe that. I was also very keen on Oh!'s 109 degree idea - which is also very imaginative. Could it be a dead geyser or something? Sure. But I think that like many other things that there is a double meaning in this clue. One which gets you to the right place, and another that is the actual "feature" at the place for confirmation. To merge the 109 and death ideas - consider that the grave of Sacajawea is very close to the actual 109/43 mark. I believe that something like this double meaning is the answer for all 9 clues... I do hope someone figures it out in my lifetime. I'd love to know what the right answer was. I do think that the only way this will ever be solved is if the top searchers get together as a group and share. Your right each clue has 2 meanings you can't work off of 1 meaning. Is this why Forrest shows a lot of 2 things like the Omega simples 2. 1 pound nuggets, why are they a lot of 2 things being showed.
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Post by lookinup on Nov 26, 2018 15:42:04 GMT -5
A small log building built in 1878 near Sacajawea's grave in Fort Washakie, WY was the first school for Indians. In addition, a marker on each side of her grave marks where each of her two children is buried. (At the rear of an adjacent campground is a dedicated monument and statue in honor of Sacajawaea.) I , too imagine FF holding a deep respect for such a remarkable and 'special' woman and paths leading to her peaceful place of rest. * Quote feature of CJ's was not listed.
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Post by npsbuilder on Nov 26, 2018 20:00:53 GMT -5
Thinking out of the box here and 1 of the many ways to approach this. Since ff is an "amateur" geologist (using amateur lightly) and thinking of WWWH from that perspective. Locating possible starting points on the map gets easier. Factor in the amount of time the round trip took ff to hide the chest the possible locations are narrowed down significantly. Earthquake faults that are oriented east to west are good places to begin in my opinion.
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