I know about the other thread where the Descramble is applied to the "SVRWY..." before Vigenere decryption as an alternative, but it seems like Jenny has discounted that. Is that what you are talking about? Maybe the inverse of the descramble is used in Step 4?
Good info. So I was thinking of exploring (crib dragging I guess you call it - total noob here) not with "treasure" in keyphrase or message, but in the Step 3 result - thus hidden treasure? Treasures are usually found at the end.... Have you looked at that?
Post by zaphod73491 on Mar 30, 2019 13:34:28 GMT -5
Crm114: ah, so you're wondering if TREASURE (or some other likely Fenn word) is in HIS message rather than Jenny's keyphrase. To be honest, I don't think I've tried approaching the problem from that angle since I figured I was much more likely to guess Jenny's keyphrase (or words in it) than words in Forrest's. Only slightly more difficult to investigate, but perhaps if TREASURE or TREASURES *is* in there, then it will be obvious which is the correct descrambling method.
Well, I am looking for "treasure" or other possible words in 3 places: key phrase, the ff message, and the result of Step 3. The latter one is a twofer if it exists - you get letters in both the message and the keyphrase that way. I wouldn't be surprised if treasure exists in all 3.
Post by zaphod73491 on Mar 30, 2019 14:41:37 GMT -5
According to GeneticBlend, apparently not. She said there were no confirmers in the scrambled result of step 3, other than after doing the final descramble. Too bad -- Jenny could easily have done this (e.g. have an obvious word pop up at the beginning of the output of the Vigenere decryption).
So anyway, I've tried looking for TREASURE in Forrest's message to see what the corresponding Jenny phrase letters would be. In descramble method 1, the best hit is at position 58: ESVEDAUT. In descramble method 2, the best hits are at position 66 (ROEVNGEN) or 39 (ADOMTART). If I expand the crib to "THETREASURE", the best locations are:
Method 1, position 14: HEESDIITBDH Method 2, position 43: SNEEECLHHAG
Unfortunately, not enough proof to decide which descrambling method is the correct one, or even if TREASURE is actually in Forrest's message.
Ah, good info. I missed that. Yes, it does seem like that would useful confirmation. FWIW, I tried the idea for a few words and got nothing. I did try "treasure" spelled backwards and noticed a hit for "what" starting at the keyphrase at position 16, deriving from the "erus" part. Might be something.
I'll be honest, I never would have gotten the correct order of the svrwy deal without knowing Jenny's favorite number was 34. And I never would have known that unless I read these forums. In fact, I'm re-reading the book again and still not seeing how we were supposed to see the 34. Was this something in the book? Was this common knowledge about Jenny that we were supposed to know going into this? Because, if so, I'm not too confident that I'll be figuring out this first word fifth word seen hidden.
Post by zaphod73491 on Apr 6, 2019 18:39:04 GMT -5
Hi Brydena: whether 34 is a favorite # of Jenny's or not, 34 is directly related to ordinary 4x4 magic squares because it is the average result of adding four different numbers out of the range 1-16. (Sum of numbers from 1-16 divided by 4 is 34.)