Riddle #2

[Jenny]

Solution to Riddle #1 has been posted on Andrew's site and Riddle #2 is released! Members here had it, and searched the spot, for the Tin! Great teamwork guys!



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[Jenny]

Venice anyone?

[GeneticBlend]

St. Petersburg?

Stockholm?

[timebandit]

My money is on either Amsterdam or the Hague in the Netherlands. There are "watery ways" and palaces/castles everywhere.

First there was a "regal place"(haven't figured out the colored leaves yet) then a "royal region"(multiple palaces?).

The "murmuring whir" makes me think of 'windmills'.

Haven't got the "bridge whose lady's glance guides you" yet.

Like the palaces, there any number of "museums". The "sunken ship" might refer to the 'Amsterdam' replica at the Het Scheepvaartmuseum (National Maritime Museum in Amsterdam). The original sunk in a storm in the English Channel in 1749.

The "roads' meeting" is a plural term and may have historical significance.

This a city of great history, the Anne Frank House museum isn't very far from the Royal Palace.

Whattaya think? Anybody wanna add more?

[inatimate1]

I've been trying to narrow this down but don't feel like I'm making too much progress, but would be nice to see others' train of thought. 


Start in a city by the sea
Known for many a watery way.

So we are trying to find a seaside city with a canal system. Venice is the obvious call, but there's plenty of cities with water systems. St Petersburg, Le Havre, Copenhagen, Utrecht, Amsterdam.  

First find a regal place
With leaves of green
And leaves of white.

Palace, Park, Castle, I guess green leaves are easy to find, but the white leaves is throwing me, I'm thinking it's possibly a feature on a building or a fountain of some kind. 

Then walk on to another royal region.

Region I think is the key word here, I guess we are looking for a square or park with a "Royal" name...

Stay, if you like, to look and to listen
To a long, murmuring whir.

... the murmuring whir suggests to me that there's a Wind Farm in this "royal region" 

But you best be on,
Beyond the bridge
Whose lady’s glance guides you.

We can narrow it down a bit further by knowing there is a bridge near here, but considering it's a city with a lot of water it's no major shock to find a bridge. There must be a statue of a woman near to the bridge as well, and we are heading in the same direction she is facing. 

Between museums and sunken ship,

Again, no major surprise to find museums and a sunken ship by the sea, it could be a ship inside a museum or a visible wreck from the shore.

At roads’ meeting,
Find the Tin under stone.

Tin at the convergence of two roads, I'm guessing it must be a pretty big boulder which is probably in a grassy area on the corner. 



I've spent a fair bit of time looking at pictures of palaces across European coastal cities and can't find any with "white leaves" on the outside. I might be a mile away with this but Copenhagen is a place that fits a couple of the clues...

Rosenborg Castle has "white leaves" on the ceiling of the interior, and was a royal residence in the 17th and early 18th century. Connected to the castle is the Rosenborg Castle Gardens, also known as "The King's Gardens" which could be our "royal region".


How loud Wind Turbines are is not something I'm too familiar with, but just off the shore to the North East of our location is Middelgrunden, which is supposedly the largest off-shore wind farm in the world, so a "long, murmuring whir" is a real possibility.

Then comes the bridge, I can't pinpoint that right now. There's a few potential "lady's glance" locations. Just over the "Dronning Louises Bro" (which is a bridge around half a km to the west of the castle) is a statue of a couple sitting opposite each other. The lady is however glancing back in the direction we have come from which doesn't make too much sense, but the direction in which she is facing does seem to point towards the Havnebadet which is supposed to resemble a "sunken ship" and is just past a few museums, but I'd hazard a guess that it may be slightly too far away from our location to be relevant. 

It's a start though I suppose 

[Jenny]

The following was posted on the MW Facebook group by a member (the group is open to all, and so I thought it would be ok to share it here too)...

(EDIT: I JUST LEARNED IT WAS ACTUALLY TIMEBANDIT and we know him well here...sooo....)


He said

My money is on Amsterdam or the Hague, Netherlands. The Hague is known as the 'Royal city by the sea' and is covered with palaces, castles, and formal gardens. Don't see royal regions or regal places in Venice, Italy.


This makes a lot of sense....

Plus we know the following lines include 'ANOTHER' royal region, suggesting 'Royal' is a key word to help narrow down the location implied in the previous lines.....

[Mark Foster]

I am not done yet with Venice, it was my first thought too. The first location should be 'regal' and I was thinking of the Palazzo Ducale (Palace of the Doge) on St Mark's Square. That would pass as regal for me, as the Doge was the elected, appointed leader and, while not royal, he took on the role of king or emperor in all but name. There are lots of white leaves on the Palazzo Ducale but I'm stumped for now on the green ones. If it is this location, then we need to deal with the follow-on location which should be 'royal'.

It may indeed be Amsterdam or somewhere else, but I'm still hooked on Venice for now.

[timebandit]

Good to see you Mark.  I registered with the Q4T site based in the UK.  They're heavy into "The Secret" over there right now.  Wondered if any are onto Andrew's little hunt here.  Once accepted to post there I'll check.  Will be 'timebandit' there as well.  Now to the hunt!
I've been thinking and analyzing some.

Start in a city by the sea
Known for many a watery way.

This could be The Hague, Netherlands, known as the "Royal city by the sea".  Many watery ways throughout the Netherlands.

First find a regal place
With leaves of green
And leaves of white.

Not sure yet if "regal" refers to 'castle' and the later used "royal" refers to 'palace' or if the terms are interchangeable.  In either case, most all castles/palaces have formal gardens.  The "leaves of green and leaves of white" don not necessarily mean leaves of each color.  This could indicate 'variegated' leaves, so I'm searching for a garden having a preponderance of plants with variegated leaves.  Saw one on google last night but can't remember the website, researching it.

From this starting point the next line says "then walk", and later "walk" is used again.  So I'm wary of how much distance may be covered with the given clues.  In the first riddle the entire poem didn't cover a very great distance from beginning to end, but it would have been quite a jaunt from 'the eye of London' to the end in 'St. James Park' if walking.  Maybe over a mile on the ground?

Then walk on to another royal region.

Does this indicate palace to palace within the Hague, or maybe from the Hague into Amsterdam?  The Hague is the government center while Amsterdam has more royal residences.  Still undecided, but Hague to Amsterdam looks to be a stretch if walking.  Still googling.

Stay, if you like, to look and to listen
To a long, murmuring whir.

I first thought of windmills, but could be referencing the huge pumps scattered all around that keep the waterways in check.  One that is most likely within earshot of the "royal region".  This may bolster a case for palace to palace distance(like from the Peace Palace to the King's Palace within the Hague district), but nothing definitive for the "long, murmuring whir".

But you best be on,
Beyond the bridge
Whose lady's glance guides you.

Still looking for this.  Thinking it describes a statue past a bridge with eyes showing the way to proceed.  Maybe one of the few Queen Wilhelmina statues dotted around.  However, tying this clue to the previous clue, it's a short walk south along the Rokin Dam from the Royal Palace Amsterdam to the Queen Wilhelmina Equestrian Statue.  This statue sits on a bridge of sorts with her gaze turned left which would continue south.  Water is south of the bridge and huge pumps are on the north side.  Haven't a match yet in the Hague area for this and the previous clue.

Between museums and sunken ship,
At roads' meeting,
Find the Tin under stone.

The absolute best location for this clue as a whole is the entrance to the IJ Tunnel in Amsterdam.  All roads, rail and auto, meet here(not crossing) to enter the tunnel.  There appear to be areas of crushed stone or gravel unpaved.  This lies between the NEMO science center/Stichting Museumhaven and the Maritime Museum(Het Scheepvaartmuseum) where the replica of the sailing ship Amsterdam is moored.  The famous ship wrecked in a storm in 1749 and sank in the English Channel.

This place doesn't really line up with the previous clues as interpreted though.  It is distant and NE of the Queen Wilhelmina statue, not south of it.  One or the other is off for sure.  My bet is wrong statue.

"Between museums and sunken ship" is weird for any other place.  Hundreds of museums around, but sunken ships are scant.  "At roads meeting" is more than just plural, it is plural possessive, so I'm guessing different types of roads coming together but not crossing.  "Find the Tin under stone" is tricky.  Why capitalize the "T" in "Tin"?  What's up with that?  Don't remember that in riddle 1.

Ideas anyone?

[vittafernandez]

Venice seems to be my first go to. There are white leaves on the facades at St. Mark's Square also, there are large green urns in the square with green leaves on them. Also, could not the murmuring whir be the pigeons in the square? New to this, so I'm just throwing ideas out.

[vittafernandez]

In Venice, you can start out at the royal gardens then walk to the Doge's palace. Proceed to the bridge of sighs and walk to the statue of Venice, then onto the Naval Museum...Maybe this is too far a stretch.

[GeneticBlend]

I am leaning toward Stockholm, with the sunken ship the Vasa Museum. There are also many other museums in the area. The sound of whir could be the nearby amusement park.

This area is on an island, so you have to cross a bridge to get there.

I can't find the starting point, nor can I seem to get the clues to line up in order. But it seems promising. I'll have to take a better look when I have more time.

Near the Vasa there are some paths that meet, and at the intersection are large rocks. The Tin could be buried at any of these rocks

[GeneticBlend]

I received this from Andrew today regarding my Stockholm solve (as messy as it is, I did get the correct rocks in the end):

You are in the right place, so I'll give you the next clue:

Gazers throw their sight,
Not up where the Great one sups,
Nor to the calling of the dead,
But after a century, elsewhere
Towards a bright road.
There you'll find where children play.
And behind the right foot
Of the closest bench
Lies the tin.

[Jenny]

Congrats and way to go GeneticBlend!

Thanks for sharing the next riddle with us as well. Very kind.

[vittafernandez]

Congratulations GeneticBlend! And, thank you so much for sharing.

[timebandit]

Congrats GeneticBlend, good job.