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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2019 12:37:29 GMT -5
What happened to fallingrock?
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Post by CJ on Mar 13, 2019 12:07:24 GMT -5
The thing that many people don't realize is that FF has never said that the clues are in the four treasure states.
Consider the "what if" only the LAST clue is in one of those states....and you'll realize that it may take 1000 years to find.
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Post by heidini on Mar 13, 2019 16:59:34 GMT -5
What happened to fallingrock? I don’t know.
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Post by kaotkbliss on May 6, 2019 20:54:04 GMT -5
Posters, and searchers generally, aren't very good at connecting desperate ideas, to understand potential contradictions. And there's one glaring contradiction in this thread, and it is expressed as an omission >>> the idea that following WWWH (as the first clue), searchers are then given 8 (eight) clues for an area that one would walk/hike ... That all the clues except WWWH are part of the outdoor hiking adventure after one leaves one's car is a very popular theory. Yet, why would one need 8 clues for the hiking part of the treasure hunt, if as Forrest says searcher does not need to walk very far? To my knowledge posters have never addressed this issue, despite the obvious implications. If 8 clues are not needed, specifically because the hike is fairly short, then some of those clues are driving clues, which posters will never ascertain. Hello all, I know this is already a couple months old but I am fairly new to the chase and only just found this site. My thoughts on this is a method I try to keep in mind when looking for my starting point. What if the entire 2nd stanza is 3 or 4 clues, all describing the same location? Take for example Brown's Creek Falls: If you are standing at the top of a waterfall, say 10-20 feet from the edge, and looking out at the horizon. It could almost look like the river just stops (warm waters halt) Then it goes straight down (or cascading over multiple levels on the way down, the canyon down). Most often, you can't take the same path the water takes to the bottom (not far, but too far to walk. I will get to this later) You are now at the bottom of Brown's creek falls (below the home of Brown). To expand on my too far to walk, Fenn had made a comment in regards to the Too far to walk book preface saying (and I'm paraphrasing) that the trip on Madison river is something that he can't do anymore and he regrets not going back before it became too difficult. So to me Not far but too far to walk is basically a "close but no cigar" kind of saying. A task that you didn't or can't complete. I got this idea when starting up the 2nd season of OA on Netflix where they were having a sleep study and everyone kept dreaming of 3 different things, a tunnel the size of a coffin, a double curved staircase, and a rose colored window. In the show they said "There are many places that have some of the items, but only a single house that has all 3" and I wonder if that isn't how Fenn designed each location in his poem.
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Post by kaotkbliss on May 7, 2019 6:03:06 GMT -5
I had actually started with warm waters halt and canyon down. While thinking about it, and Fenn's comment that imagination was needed, I couldn't help but think that it sounded like a waterfall. It wasn't until googling different waterfalls that I ended up finding the Browns Creek falls.
What has kept me on this line of thinking was his response about missing ingredients when he was asked "If someone had a map and I asked them to meet me where warm waters halt, would they be able to figure out where to go?"
Another thought I've kept in mind was that if his poem is supposed to be a map as he says, then in some way he has to give a specific starting place and as he said "There are many places where warm waters halt" so more than that line needs to add to warm waters to pin-point the correct one.
He also said that it would get easier after solving the first location, which tells me that finding the pattern to solving the first will likely be the same pattern for solving the others. I'm betting that each stanza is describing a new location, aside from the first since we already know that the clues start with warm waters halt, so that still give 4 or 5 locations to solve to get to the chest.
I know that Browns creek falls isn't a correct solution to warm waters as it's already a couple miles from any parking, it's fairly heavily visited (and with my treasures bold tells me that when hiding the chest, he wasn't worried about being seen) and there's really no where to go from there to find no place for the meek.
Another location (using the same method) that I had thought of, was Ephraim Brown's grave. Using the interpretation of "kind/loving feelings" for warm waters, they would halt where there is conflict and anger. The canyon down would be the dug up grave. He was the only pioneer of the hundreds who died of homicide on the Oregon trail where the grave site is known and his death was due to a conflict with a friend. Not far from his grave is a Mormon historical monument for the hand cart group that got stuck in the pass trying to get through south pass. The 3rd stanza pretty well describes this incident where many of the members of the party had died due to a series of mishaps. First, they were leaving late in the season (too proud to wait) They ended up caught in a blizzard, freezing and running out of food (the end is ever drawing nigh) They were stuck and in serious trouble, hand carts were breaking, etc. (No paddle up your creek) They were pulling hand carts instead of using oxen and wagons (heavy loads) and stuck in the snow from the blizzard (water high)
I don't think this is the right location either. I believe it's too history dependent and I believe it's too far north. (Post 9-11, I don't think Fenn would have flown with the treasure as everything, especially a box, would have been searched/checked and people would have seen)
But these are just examples of where my thought process is while looking at maps and keeping the poem in mind.
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I understand what you are saying with why look for warm waters if you know home of Brown and canyon down, or why look for the canyon if you know the others. My thoughts are, there are tons of canyons, many places where warm waters halt, a number of locations named Brown, etc. but we are looking for a location that has all of them and since they all are describing the same place, it's still in consecutive order because you are looking for that location before looking for the no place for meek and heavy loads/water high.
Although since neither I, nor anyone else has found the chest yet, I'm not completely discounting anything at this point.
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Post by goldilocks on May 7, 2019 8:17:14 GMT -5
Posters, and searchers generally, aren't very good at connecting desperate ideas, to understand potential contradictions. And there's one glaring contradiction in this thread, and it is expressed as an omission >>> the idea that following WWWH (as the first clue), searchers are then given 8 (eight) clues for an area that one would walk/hike ... That all the clues except WWWH are part of the outdoor hiking adventure after one leaves one's car is a very popular theory. Yet, why would one need 8 clues for the hiking part of the treasure hunt, if as Forrest says searcher does not need to walk very far? To my knowledge posters have never addressed this issue, despite the obvious implications. If 8 clues are not needed, specifically because the hike is fairly short, then some of those clues are driving clues, which posters will never ascertain. Hello all, I know this is already a couple months old but I am fairly new to the chase and only just found this site. My thoughts on this is a method I try to keep in mind when looking for my starting point. What if the entire 2nd stanza is 3 or 4 clues, all describing the same location? Take for example Brown's Creek Falls: If you are standing at the top of a waterfall, say 10-20 feet from the edge, and looking out at the horizon. It could almost look like the river just stops (warm waters halt) Then it goes straight down (or cascading over multiple levels on the way down, the canyon down). Most often, you can't take the same path the water takes to the bottom (not far, but too far to walk. I will get to this later) You are now at the bottom of Brown's creek falls (below the home of Brown). To expand on my too far to walk, Fenn had made a comment in regards to the Too far to walk book preface saying (and I'm paraphrasing) that the trip on Madison river is something that he can't do anymore and he regrets not going back before it became too difficult. So to me Not far but too far to walk is basically a "close but no cigar" kind of saying. A task that you didn't or can't complete. I got this idea when starting up the 2nd season of OA on Netflix where they were having a sleep study and everyone kept dreaming of 3 different things, a tunnel the size of a coffin, a double curved staircase, and a rose colored window. In the show they said "There are many places that have some of the items, but only a single house that has all 3" and I wonder if that isn't how Fenn designed each location in his poem. Hi kaotkbliss, Welcome to the madness! I agree with your assumption that there may be one main clue, wwwh, and the following 8 could be pinpointing the exact location (either within the words of the poem or out in the wilderness). It doesn't matter how many times theories have been talked about on the internet, all it means is that the person who has attempted the theory may have missed one of the ingredients. If we use The Gold Bug as an example, William Legrand started at one specific point (his wwwh was the tallest tree in a certain woods). Once he got to the tree Jupiter had to climb to the 7th limb (clue 2), slide to end of this limb (clue 3), found a skull (clue 4), drop the beetle through the left eye of skull (clue 5), put a peg in ground where it dropped (clue 6), measured out 50 feet (clue 7) and so on. This is just an example of how numerous clues can cover a very small area.
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Post by kaotkbliss on May 7, 2019 8:24:57 GMT -5
It does make a lot of sense to me that you will need more than just a single clue to confirm a location, otherwise it's akin to "go to the tree in the woods, then head to the rock by the river" That would only be a huge guessing game and that definately wasn't Fenn's intention when designing the chase.
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