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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2019 9:16:15 GMT -5
So far, we have identified Glenwood Springs, Colorado as our starting point and have been instructed to travel on Route 70 through Glenwood Canyon. Along this 12-mile stretch, either westbound or eastbound, there are only two exits: Grizzly Creek (exit 121) and Hanging Lake (exit 125). Grizzly Creek feeds into the Colorado River and has a nice hiking trail, but not much else. Hanging Lake, in contrast, is one of the most popular hiking destinations in the state. Located about 7 miles east of Glenwood Springs, one needs to climb about 1,000 feet from the adjacent parking area to reach it. The trail to the lake runs along Dead Horse Creek, another small tributary of the Colorado. Several hiking guides caution individuals who are either out of shape or have a fear of heights (because of some stressful steps near the end of the climb.) At this point, the third stanza lights up. From there it’s no place for the meek.
The end is ever drawing nigh
There’ll be no paddle up your creek.
Just heavy loads and water high. In short, the stanza suggests: This part of the journey can be a little scary. You will be doing some serious climbing. Your destination, remarkably, is a body of water. You will not be able to get there by traveling in the creek itself (because you’re climbing). This fits Hanging Lake perfectly. If Hanging Lake truly is our destination, we would expect to see a clue, ideally in this stanza, that gets us from Route 70 to the lake. In short, we are looking for a clue that gives us Dead Horse Creek. The end = Deadnigh is a reference to the left side of a Horse (https://www.thefreedictionary.com/nigh) creek is Creek. Note: the components of the third clue are buried in precisely the same two lines of the third stanza as those of the second clue.The overall structure of the poem is now coming into view: The first stanza provides a tutorial on how to find some of the clues. The second stanza yields the first clue. The third stanza yields the second and third clues. Perhaps the fourth clue is lurking in there as well. The first clue is Glenwood Springs.
The second clue is Route 70.
The third clue is Dead Horse Creek.
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Post by nkown on Apr 16, 2019 14:47:22 GMT -5
I can't remember where ff said it but he basically said the only clue you'd really need to know is the last one. Sure, you can follow each of the nine clues in order, but if you know the area and the answer to the last clue you'd be fine in finding the chest. Which also means, you could have one of these wrong and still end up at the TC. Another point: you'd never need to travel from Glenwood Springs to Dead Horse Creek if the final location is 20 miles away. You'd just go to the end. Which is one of the reasons that I think you're going about this in a great, interesting manner... but that there is a small but fatal flaw, unless you nail the last clue. "Dead" is correct... but Dead Horse Creek is incorrect IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2019 15:02:05 GMT -5
So far, we have identified Glenwood Springs, Colorado as our starting point and have been instructed to travel on Route 70 through Glenwood Canyon. Along this 12-mile stretch, either westbound or eastbound, there are only two exits: Grizzly Creek (exit 121) and Hanging Lake (exit 125). Grizzly Creek feeds into the Colorado River and has a nice hiking trail, but not much else. Hanging Lake, in contrast, is one of the most popular hiking destinations in the state. Located about 7 miles east of Glenwood Springs, one needs to climb about 1,000 feet from the adjacent parking area to reach it. The trail to the lake runs along Dead Horse Creek, another small tributary of the Colorado. Several hiking guides caution individuals who are either out of shape or have a fear of heights (because of some stressful steps near the end of the climb.) At this point, the third stanza lights up. From there it’s no place for the meek.
The end is ever drawing nigh
There’ll be no paddle up your creek.
Just heavy loads and water high. In short, the stanza suggests: This part of the journey can be a little scary. You will be doing some serious climbing. Your destination, remarkably, is a body of water. You will not be able to get there by traveling in the creek itself (because you’re climbing). This fits Hanging Lake perfectly. If Hanging Lake truly is our destination, we would expect to see a clue, ideally in this stanza, that gets us from Route 70 to the lake. In short, we are looking for a clue that gives us Dead Horse Creek. The end = Deadnigh is a reference to the left side of a Horse (https://www.thefreedictionary.com/nigh) creek is Creek. Note: the components of the third clue are buried in precisely the same two lines of the third stanza as those of the second clue.The overall structure of the poem is now coming into view: The first stanza provides a tutorial on how to find some of the clues. The second stanza yields the first clue. The third stanza yields the second and third clues. Perhaps the fourth clue is lurking in there as well. The first clue is Glenwood Springs.
The second clue is Route 70.
The third clue is Dead Horse Creek. Nice. But Imo the third clue is from there it's no place for the meek The end is ever drawing nigh. What is the end is ever drawing nigh This clue like not far. To your creek if you don't see clue 4 and thats the creek opps there you go you walked too far
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Post by npsbuilder on Apr 16, 2019 23:10:04 GMT -5
So far, we have identified Glenwood Springs, Colorado as our starting point and have been instructed to travel on Route 70 through Glenwood Canyon. Along this 12-mile stretch, either westbound or eastbound, there are only two exits: Grizzly Creek (exit 121) and Hanging Lake (exit 125). Grizzly Creek feeds into the Colorado River and has a nice hiking trail, but not much else. Hanging Lake, in contrast, is one of the most popular hiking destinations in the state. Located about 7 miles east of Glenwood Springs, one needs to climb about 1,000 feet from the adjacent parking area to reach it. The trail to the lake runs along Dead Horse Creek, another small tributary of the Colorado. Several hiking guides caution individuals who are either out of shape or have a fear of heights (because of some stressful steps near the end of the climb.) At this point, the third stanza lights up. From there it’s no place for the meek.
The end is ever drawing nigh
There’ll be no paddle up your creek.
Just heavy loads and water high. In short, the stanza suggests: This part of the journey can be a little scary. You will be doing some serious climbing. Your destination, remarkably, is a body of water. You will not be able to get there by traveling in the creek itself (because you’re climbing). This fits Hanging Lake perfectly. If Hanging Lake truly is our destination, we would expect to see a clue, ideally in this stanza, that gets us from Route 70 to the lake. In short, we are looking for a clue that gives us Dead Horse Creek. The end = Deadnigh is a reference to the left side of a Horse (https://www.thefreedictionary.com/nigh) creek is Creek. Note: the components of the third clue are buried in precisely the same two lines of the third stanza as those of the second clue.The overall structure of the poem is now coming into view: The first stanza provides a tutorial on how to find some of the clues. The second stanza yields the first clue. The third stanza yields the second and third clues. Perhaps the fourth clue is lurking in there as well. The first clue is Glenwood Springs.
The second clue is Route 70.
The third clue is Dead Horse Creek. Nice. But Imo the third clue is from there it's no place for the meek The end is ever drawing nigh. What is the end is ever drawing nigh This clue like not far. To your creek if you don't see clue 4 and thats the creek opps there you go you walked too far For me - The end is ever drawing nigh - relates to Taps en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taps
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Post by Bownarrow on Apr 17, 2019 12:43:34 GMT -5
Ralph,
I like your approach to the poem.
I saw no mention of HOB in your explanations of clues 1-3. Did you mention this somewhere and I just missed it?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2019 14:45:35 GMT -5
Ralph, I like your approach to the poem. I saw no mention of HOB in your explanations of clues 1-3. Did you mention this somewhere and I just missed it? I did. It's buried in the Confirmers section near the end of my post about the first clue. It's a double clue. The capital B, appended to the preceding capital P, leads to the chemical symbol for lead, and Molly Brown spent her early years in Leadville. (Forrest was recently teasing us when he alluded to a "lead searcher.") In short, the HOB is Leadville, CO.
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Post by Bownarrow on Apr 17, 2019 15:15:27 GMT -5
Thanks.
Many people have guessed at MB's home/Leadville as being the HOB.
This "leads" me to doubt that it is. If so it would be possible to start in "the middle of the poem" with the HOB and not bother about understanding the rest of the second stanza. ff has said something to the effect that it would be a miracle if someone found the blaze by starting in the middle of the poem.
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Post by zaphod73491 on Apr 17, 2019 15:27:32 GMT -5
IMO, Molly Brown constitutes "specialized knowledge," just as does Joseph Meek. I don't think either of these people, or for that matter any other specific person, plays a part in the solution to Forrest's poem.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2019 15:40:51 GMT -5
Thanks. Many people have guessed at MB's home/Leadville as being the HOB. This "leads" me to doubt that it is. If so it would be possible to start in "the middle of the poem" with the HOB and not bother about understanding the rest of the second stanza. ff has said something to the effect that it would be a miracle if someone found the blaze by starting in the middle of the poem. We have been told to begin it WWWH, and I followed this advice. The Leadville angle is only a confirmer for this and is not part of any of the clues.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2019 15:44:26 GMT -5
IMO, Molly Brown constitutes "specialized knowledge," just as does Joseph Meek. I don't think either of these people, or for that matter any other specific person, plays a part in the solution to Forrest's poem. Proscribing "specialized knowledge" can be a slippery slope. i would agree that something like quantum field theory is specialized knowledge, but I would not say the same for every fact easily available to an untrained person on Wikipedia.
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Post by zaphod73491 on Apr 17, 2019 16:48:02 GMT -5
If the poem's solution is ever made public (and I actually don't see that happening any time soon), I think searchers will be shocked at how simple it was compared to their own overly convoluted theories. Prediction: the solution will involve no famous, or not-so-famous people, no Old West history, no knowledge of fishing regulations, no obscure word definitions that required the O.E.D. Instead, it will come down to classic armchair treasure hunting skills (read: multiple wordplay techniques), and simple geographic locations.
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Post by Bownarrow on Apr 17, 2019 16:52:36 GMT -5
Ralph,
I was not suggesting that YOU hadn't started at the beginning. I was simply suggesting that if Leadville/MB's home COULD be guessed as the HOB which many, including myself, in the past have done, I think it is unlikely to be correct for the reason given - whether it is considered one of the numbered clues or not.
I like your derivation of Glenwood Springs as WWWH and think that your approach to the poem is along the lines needed to solve it.
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Post by heidini on Apr 17, 2019 19:46:33 GMT -5
If the poem's solution is ever made public (and I actually don't see that happening any time soon), I think searchers will be shocked at how simple it was compared to their own overly convoluted theories. Prediction: the solution will involve no famous, or not-so-famous people, no Old West history, no knowledge of fishing regulations, no obscure word definitions that required the O.E.D. Instead, it will come down to classic armchair treasure hunting skills (read: multiple wordplay techniques), and simple geographic locations. How about another PIE? Proto-Indo-European root? Lol.
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Post by zaphod73491 on Apr 17, 2019 23:15:28 GMT -5
Heidinu: Hah! Now you're just yankin' my chain. ;-) Bottom line is that gold fever is gonna cause people to search where there gonna search, and no logic will ever deter 'em. Each time I hear people calling into Toby and Shelley's show, for instance, I realize how few people have any chance of solving it. The ignorance is just astounding.
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Post by heidini on Apr 18, 2019 11:18:01 GMT -5
Heidinu: Hah! Now you're just yankin' my chain. ;-) Bottom line is that gold fever is gonna cause people to search where there gonna search, and no logic will ever deter 'em. Each time I hear people calling into Toby and Shelley's show, for instance, I realize how few people have any chance of solving it. The ignorance is just astounding. I am totally grinning. I wasn’t yanking your chain. (I would be if I mentioned the other stone I found in TTOTC Lol...) Not everyone is ignorant. 😉 some are trying hard to close the gap on the learning curve. 😊
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