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Post by npsbuilder on Apr 26, 2019 19:11:27 GMT -5
Is clue 1 possibly telling us to start at - Just heavy loads and water high - ?
One way of thinking about what Water high is, is where warm waters halt.
Using this as the possible meaning; do we start at - Just heavy... - or at the next line - If you've been wise...?
Hasn't ff said that searchers haven't used the clues in the right order or something to that effect?
"a butterfly is really a flutterby" used in the Epilogue on page 147.
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Post by lookinup on Apr 26, 2019 21:43:20 GMT -5
Still in Idaho Springs, Colorado mode.
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Post by npsbuilder on Apr 26, 2019 22:37:10 GMT -5
Still in Idaho Springs, Colorado mode. Haven't been focused on any particular location this last month. Trying to figure out how to put everything together with all the different thinking I have had. In my head, I have at least 8 perfect solves spanning from NM to MT. We both know that there is only Perfect Solve to be gotten. Having so many means I have something wrong. Now Idaho Springs fits perfectly with my Yukon Gold Potato theory I have. THANKS...now I have 9...;-0
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Post by kaotkbliss on May 8, 2019 19:58:51 GMT -5
Since this thread appears to be for clue #1, I've started considering possibly a flume. I had recently seen an article about one they were attempting to reconstruct using the methods the pioneers did.
The reason flumes are sticking in my mind is because water was halted at the top while they got the railroad ties in position. Once they were ready, they would release the water and the ties would travel down a wooden canyon until they reached a river or other suitable location to continue transporting them.
I know clue 1 doesn't necessarily have to do with water, but I'm keeping an open mind until I can piece together at least half a solve.
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Post by npsbuilder on May 8, 2019 20:18:48 GMT -5
Since this thread appears to be for clue #1, I've started considering possibly a flume. I had recently seen an article about one they were attempting to reconstruct using the methods the pioneers did. The reason flumes are sticking in my mind is because water was halted at the top while they got the railroad ties in position. Once they were ready, they would release the water and the ties would travel down a wooden canyon until they reached a river or other suitable location to continue transporting them. I know clue 1 doesn't necessarily have to do with water, but I'm keeping an open mind until I can piece together at least half a solve. Wooden pipelines is something I am digging into now. With all the current discussions revolving around ff's bathroom and what's in it made me start thinking about wooden sewer pipes among other uses as well. Timber flumes never crossed my mind for some reason. Thanks for the pointing it out.
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Post by kaotkbliss on May 9, 2019 8:04:41 GMT -5
Some other considerations I have for this clue: A location whose name/nickname or description has to do with glass. Often smooth, flat, seemingly unmoving water is described as glass. Somewhere in the Uncompahgre area. The name means "Red water standing" and red being a warm color... A location named Apishapa. I saw a river or creek named Apishapa and when I looked it up, means "stagnant" (showing no activity, basically not moving)
I briefly considered glacier/frozen/ice, but that just seems too easy and common.
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Post by heidini on May 9, 2019 14:49:31 GMT -5
Good thoughts. There are so many on the topic. Some even consider the ancient lava flows in New Mexico is where warm waters halt.
“New Mexico is the Volcano state or "Land of Volcanoes.”
Who knew before the Chase?!
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Post by nkown on May 9, 2019 15:00:44 GMT -5
Warm Waters halt at 32F. In the rockies there are many warm waters. In the poem, there is only one. Begin "it" is the process of reading the poem properly. Start that where the warm waters halt and you'll begin to see how ff embedded precise info in a folksy sounding poem.
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Post by kaotkbliss on May 9, 2019 15:06:09 GMT -5
Yep, I wasn't aware of that either. Although personally I'm not sure if I would consider lava as warm water since it's molten rock, but might be something to look into for another angle that relates like maybe a geological formation that happened where lava and water had once met and left a lasting mark...
I've seen so many warm/hot springs, glacier lake, and convergence of rivers solves to stop reading what others say and just go with my own ideas. But even with my ideas, I'm still just basically looking at more of the same thing on a map (whether it's a hot-spring or apishapa, it all looks the same and nothing is sticking out)
So I'm here throwing out my ideas, seeing what others think, and stirring the pot to see what fresh new ideas pop up.
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Post by kaotkbliss on May 9, 2019 15:32:51 GMT -5
Warm Waters halt at 32F. In the rockies there are many warm waters. In the poem, there is only one. Begin "it" is the process of reading the poem properly. Start that where the warm waters halt and you'll begin to see how ff embedded precise info in a folksy sounding poem. I think water is no longer warm long before 32F I don't think actual water temp has any real meaning here, especially since warm is subjective. Everyone's consideration of warm is different. For example, it's been in the 70's here in Ohio (finally) but here I am with a sweater and a zip-up hoodie to actually be comfortable and warm. In my mind, since warm is subjective to the individual, and water (even frozen) doesn't actually halt, I'm leaning more towards an impression, rough translation, or metaphor that he's trying to convey. Metaphors have only led me down roads of history though, too deep to be a real solution. I think I see what your getting at actually, even though what I wrote above has nothing to do with it at all. I just didn't get it until I was done writing my thoughts down. I was about to end with something along the lines of "I probably missed what you were trying to say in that last part" which got me thinking about that last part more. You're not talking about temperatures... gives me a new angle to consider I'll leave my improper response though, it helps me remember the trail my mind has wandered to get where it is. Otherwise I might end up down the same trail again.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2019 16:03:24 GMT -5
When the sun goes down into the canyon, this is when warm waters halt. It's the big picture. You begin it where warm waters halt (sun) and you take it into the canyon down.
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Post by kaotkbliss on May 9, 2019 21:04:39 GMT -5
Warm Waters halt at 32F. In the rockies there are many warm waters. In the poem, there is only one. Begin "it" is the process of reading the poem properly. Start that where the warm waters halt and you'll begin to see how ff embedded precise info in a folksy sounding poem. After finally having a change to sit down and look at a map, I've come to the conclusion that I must still not be understanding you correctly. 32 deg doesn't come anywhere near the Rockies. Longitude it goes through the Atlantic and Africa, 32 Latitude goes through Texas and Argentina...
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Post by heidini on May 9, 2019 21:18:12 GMT -5
32° 32° puts you just north of Egypt.
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Post by kaotkbliss on May 9, 2019 21:20:27 GMT -5
I've always wanted to go to Egypt!
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Post by lookinup on May 10, 2019 0:34:34 GMT -5
It's been my understanding that the 32nd parallel also defines part of the border between New Mexico and Texas. ( A proposed route of the Pacific Texas Railroad) I'm still drawn to a reference regarding his childhood home in Temple, TX about the house burning down twice and all that remained were the "cement front porch, the garage and a few pecan trees."
In so far as a possible connection with beginning it "where warm waters halt"; F' said he could still see these physical features using Google Earth.
Would what G E can't see.... be close to something like this?
A cistern?
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