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Post by nkown on May 10, 2019 8:46:08 GMT -5
Warm Waters halt at 32F. In the rockies there are many warm waters. In the poem, there is only one. Begin "it" is the process of reading the poem properly. Start that where the warm waters halt and you'll begin to see how ff embedded precise info in a folksy sounding poem. After finally having a change to sit down and look at a map, I've come to the conclusion that I must still not be understanding you correctly. 32 deg doesn't come anywhere near the Rockies. Longitude it goes through the Atlantic and Africa, 32 Latitude goes through Texas and Argentina... Who said anything about degrees? I said 32F. Think laterally and sometimes literally. warm waters halt when they freeze.... they freeze at 32F.... we are trying to decode (f's word) the poem... use that there.
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Post by kaotkbliss on May 10, 2019 9:57:34 GMT -5
Who said anything about degrees? I said 32F. Think laterally and sometimes literally. warm waters halt when they freeze.... they freeze at 32F.... we are trying to decode (f's word) the poem... use that there. The flaw I see in this is warm water doesn't halt when it freezes, it hasn't been warm water long before 32F. (33F which is still liquid state, definately isn't warm water) Warm water halts when it stops becoming warm water, when it's cold or hot. Technically (and we know that Fenn is a technical person - "My eyes were open, it's my eyelids that were closed") ice doesn't halt either, it's continually expanding as it draws more moisture from the air. So when does warm water become cold water or hot water? Well that's subjective and depends on the person. This is just my opinion, and it leads me to believe the first clue has nothing to do with actual temperatures even though he uses the word "warm". Therefore in my opinion, warm is either being used as a generic description, he's using another meaning of the word, or a place with a temperature description in the name. (such as Cold Water creek or Hot Springs cliff, etc.)
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Post by kaotkbliss on May 15, 2019 8:45:38 GMT -5
I had another thought last night, based on my heavy loads water high thought I posted the other day. If that clue is correct (I came up with waterlogged, describing an area around the chest), and the clues are solved similarly (which would explain why Forrest says they get easier) Then perhaps warm waters halt and take it in the canyon down is the description of a single word or 2. Except that instead of giving an area description as in waterlogged, it gives a location name?
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Post by drpepperwood on May 20, 2019 18:55:06 GMT -5
WWWH = in the shadows? When I am swimming in water that is warm and then I move to a shadow on the water it is cooler.
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Post by kaotkbliss on May 20, 2019 19:44:33 GMT -5
Also when swimming in a lake, even if he whole thing is in the sun, you still hit those pockets of cold water. Thermoclines...
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Post by npsbuilder on May 21, 2019 16:51:45 GMT -5
WWWH = in the shadows? When I am swimming in water that is warm and then I move to a shadow on the water it is cooler. That's an intriguing thought...in the shadows, but what shadows? The map with the poem has light areas and dark areas. Are the dark areas possibly representative of shadows? If so, this helps to narrow down the WWWH area. For me, the Great Divide Basin was the most logical place to focus on WWWH and move from there. Using this thinking, canyon down leads to Steamboat Springs for no paddle up your creek. THOUGHTS?
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Post by kaotkbliss on May 21, 2019 20:56:08 GMT -5
While on my way home from work today, I had an interesting thought while contemplating the first location (which I believe to be all of "Where warm waters halt and take it in the canyon down, not far but too far to walk.")
He's said when asked what warm means to him: comfortable. He described a friend as having deep waters. Thinking of warm waters with these in mind, to me means good emotions, warm feelings. A definition for canyon is a depression.
Continuing this thought, where do good feelings halt? when someone gets depressed.
He said the person he hopes to find the treasure is a redneck with 15 kids who just lost his job... Sounds pretty depressing to me.
I believe his father committed suicide when diagnosed with a terminal illness, Fenn planned to do the same.
I went on google maps and typed in suicide, just out of curiosity. There was a suicide soda lake, nothing spectacular. Suicide point, some hiking trails nearby. Nothing really a fisherman would find extraordinary (Someone mentioned somewhere that Fenn said something along the lines of a fisherman would really like the spot (talking about the treasure location))
But then there is Suicide Lake, the area is definately I could see Fenn ecstatic about, but I've not seen any roads nearby or trails to reach that area...
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Post by kaotkbliss on May 22, 2019 20:51:02 GMT -5
Yeah, Suicide Lake is definately out. After reading a little about it and viewing it in 3d mode, there's no way Fenn could have gone there if he truly did follow the clues in the poem when he hid the treasure.
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Post by rahrah on May 27, 2019 20:48:05 GMT -5
When Fenn was asked what "warm" means to him, he said "comfortable"
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Post by heidini on May 27, 2019 21:00:34 GMT -5
When Fenn was asked what "warm" means to him, he said "comfortable" Rahrah!!!
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Post by kaotkbliss on May 28, 2019 20:45:07 GMT -5
Yep, and that's where that thought process started. You start with comfortable feelings and emotions. When your feelings stop being comfortable, it's usually because of negative emotions (anger or sadness) Sadness fits with the definition of canyon.
However, I think I'm rounding back to my original thought on warm waters halt. I scanned my TTOTC book, then used adobe acrobat to OCR it, so I'm able to search my pdf for specific words and phrases. I did that with comfort and only 3 results came up.
The first is where he kept his promise to the waterfall. Before he found the grave marker, he was sitting at the top of the waterfall throwing rocks down to the bottom and he said he was uncomfortable with the whole situation (uncomfortable would definately be where comfort halts)
The 2nd was when he mentioned Millay's poem that's about living on the edge (Safe upon the solid rock the ugly houses stand...) He said that poem tells his story best and that's where he's most comfortable.
The final mention of the word was after he was diagnosed with cancer, he said it was his wife and 2 daughter's warm comfort that helped him through his depression.
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Post by heidini on May 31, 2019 11:51:35 GMT -5
Didn’t Forrest say something about his wife led a charge? I don’t have my book right now for reference.
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Post by npsbuilder on May 31, 2019 15:33:39 GMT -5
Could WWWH refer to the 2 Omegas at end of book. The omegas are similar to what oxbow formations look like. WWWH in this regards may refer to water stagnation.
Just a thought...
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Post by heidini on May 31, 2019 16:28:33 GMT -5
Could WWWH refer to the 2 Omegas at end of book. The omegas are similar to what oxbow formations look like. WWWH in this regards may refer to water stagnation. Just a thought... I don’t understand what you mean by water stagnation. I thought Oxbow were just bends in a river. Why would the water be stagnant?
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Post by kaotkbliss on Jun 1, 2019 12:29:24 GMT -5
Last night I tried to go back to the thought of each clue is a literal description of a location. I decided to google maps the hanging flume: riches old - it was to be used to separate gold from sediment from a mine. Warm waters halt - flumes had a "trap" at the start to hold back the water while they loaded it up, then would release the water (along with the cargo) down the flume. and take it in the canyon down - flumes were usually V shaped, like a canyon and often times (like the hanging flume) built along canyon walls. not far, but too far to walk - the hanging flumes seem to fit 2 different interpretations of this. First, it's 10 miles long which people have speculated due to the TFTW book preface. Also, it matches Fenn's definition of it's meaning of a trip he just can't do (You can't walk the flume).
Then there's the home of brown... in that area, everything is brown. Everything looks the same, just brown dotted with green for miles. Nothing spectacular, nothing to match up with anything else. It's like trying to give someone directions in a desert. I run into this a lot and it gets pretty frustrating.
The locations if they aren't named on a map, have to be some kind of landmark.
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