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Post by mrpoirot on Jul 8, 2019 15:58:38 GMT -5
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Post by elysethecat on Jul 11, 2019 10:55:22 GMT -5
To go with the Greek Church, what if part one and two together are related to a Greek Church in Dearborn? I've tried a variety of URLs with this in mind, as well as did some digging around on the websites of several Orthodox churches in the area. No dice yet, but it's nice to switch up the search and try new things.
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Post by efanton on Jul 16, 2019 21:38:25 GMT -5
this stanza is killing me. I'm pretty sure it relates to a place near Turkey. I cant see any logical answer other than Turkey for the last two lines I have been rethinking this line. Up until now I have always thought of this as referring to the golden horses of Turkmenistan or Armenia that also happen to be very close to Turkey. I have however been playing with the idea that it might refer to Cyprus Why Cyprus?. Well we all know that Cyprus although a country in its own right, is split down the middle between Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots, both the Greeks and the Turkish laying claim to the island. 'the next plus two'. Cyprus even has its own Top Level domain .CY Apparently there were two famous hoards of hidden treasure found on the island. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Cyprus_Treasurewww.thebyzantinelegacy.com/2cyprus-treasureI think the key to this stanza is getting a meaningful and logical answer to the first two lines of the stanza. But as of yet I still feel a bit uncomfortable with it being Armenia, Turkmenistan or Cyprus. They just feel a little vague. I have been pumping Cyprus, Armenia, Turkmenistan, .TM. .AM .CY along with Dearborn, 313, and no end of other terms that could possibly be answers to stanza's 3, 4 and 5 into the browser in various formats to make a URL and getting absolutely nothing. Of course not having a clear answer to stanza 5 doesn't help either. Im certain its a song, but identifying that is driving me mad. What do you think of the Cyprus Idea? Am I clutching at straws, or does it feel more solid that the Turkmenistan or Armenia idea. I feel more comfortable with Armenia because it splits the country Azerbaijan in two and actually borders Turkey. But I cant help thinking that the treasure reference refers to an actual treasure that was found.
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Post by mrpoirot on Jul 16, 2019 21:45:45 GMT -5
My solution to this stanza is waaaay different. I might be completely wrong. I will share my thoughts tomorrow.
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Post by susb8383 on Jul 17, 2019 13:00:22 GMT -5
I'll be interested to see if it matches what I got.
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Post by mrpoirot on Jul 17, 2019 15:38:54 GMT -5
I'll be interested to see if it matches what I got. What did you have? Feel free to share as we can all benefit from it.
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Post by susb8383 on Jul 17, 2019 20:16:31 GMT -5
Ok, I'm going to share my solution to this stanza. I agree with the country of Turkey as the interpretation of 'a bird that's rarely thrown.' I was stuck trying to find a treasure that has something astride it next to Turkey. One definition of astride is 'extending across.' I googled if something was known as the treasure of something, but got nowhere. I looked for shipwrecks in the Black Sea, but didn't really see anything extending across the sea. But then in looking at Google Maps for the surrounding countries, I noticed many of the major roads are simply labeled with a number. I started thinking that if I could find a treasure that a road went across, that would fit in with the number part (the next plus 2). When I tried to google towns with treasure in their names, I got nowhere. But then I went the opposite way--I used Google Translator for each country surrounding Turkey to find the word for treasure in that language, and then used Google Maps to see if there was a place by that name, hopefully that had a numbered road cutting right through it. I found exactly what I was looking for: Iran is right beside Turkey. The Persian word for treasure is ganj. There is a village in Iran called Genj and road #92 cuts right through it. www.google.com/maps/place/Ganj,+Hormozgan+Province,+Iran/@28.1698965,55.7238578,16z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x3ef8b11d9195f12d:0x48e0387d572d0fd6!8m2!3d28.1705644!4d55.7286679 So this something that is astride (extending across) a treasure beside Turkey. That would mean the key piece is either 90 (if the next piece plus two is 92, that means the next piece is 90) or 9 (if 'plus' means concatenation rather than addition). I was pretty sure this was the right solution until I tried to work it out again for this post and found that the Persian word for treasure is Farsi. Ganj had an original meaning of treasure but now is used more as a prefix for treasured place. There is also a Farsi, Iran with a road that cuts through it, but the road doesn't have a number so I don't think that fits as well. Anyway, now I'm doubting this solution a little but it does fit the stanza.
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Post by efanton on Jul 17, 2019 20:48:08 GMT -5
I did something very similar.
I was thinking of mountain ranges crossing country borders. I tried Golden mountain(s), gold mountain(s) and a good few other variants. Sadly I found way to many that could fit the description and gave up on the idea. I doubt Lukas would use a solution that could be ambiguous.
I think for this type of solution to work, It would have to be a place that is famous for something. A treasure previously found there, an archaeological site of importance or somewhere tied to history, myth or legend. The problem with that is that you literally cant travel more than 10 miles in Turkey, Armenia or the surround countries without passing an archaeological site. Went there a few year ago with family, all they wanted to do was go to the beach. Not my thing at all, I hired a motorbike and toured around for a few days, without a guide book, and still found loads of interesting stuff every single day. The country is literally littered with ancient sites most of which haven't even be excavated yet.
I'm not totally discounting the idea, it makes sense that as the stanza is based on geography some how it is a place that is tied to treasure, mining, or ancient sites.
I have a feeling that 'Spare no expense' has an additional meaning to that of a spare in bowling and somehow helps us narrow the search for the place that is the ultimate answer to the stanza.
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Post by mrpoirot on Jul 17, 2019 22:06:34 GMT -5
It seems that we all have quite different takes on this. That is great and will help us move forward. Keep up the great work!
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Post by inatimate1 on Jul 18, 2019 8:49:19 GMT -5
I still think the Twitter logo could be the "bird that's rarely thrown".
Interesting to note that the name of the Twitter logo is Larry the Bird, named after Celtics player Larry Bird.
Whereas the NBA star is known for his ability to score when throwing a ball, the logo isn't, so in effect the twitter logo is a "bird that's (that has) rarely thrown (a ball).
It's whether you interpret the contraction to mean "that is" or "that has" both are acceptable. Could be another easy way to "hide" a page on the internet with twitter.com/xxxxxxxxxx linking to individual pages, of which there are millions!
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Post by efanton on Jul 21, 2019 15:24:02 GMT -5
I have been trying to crack the first line of this stanza
The next could the the 1st. Plus two would give you 3rd.
I then spent a while in google maps looking for anything that had 3rd in its name near the Turkey borders and found nothing. The only significant thing I found was the 3rd Bosporus Bridge, (Yavuz Sultan Selim Bridge) but this is NOT beside Turkey it is within its borders.
The astride reference fits with a bridge however. I see no common reference regarding the Bosphorus Strait and the term 'treasure' either. Could Lukas be using poetic license? My gut tells me there's no way he would make such a glaring mistake, he seems to have been so precise and methodical so far.
This stanza is driving me nuts, every time you get close to something fitting there's something that doesn't seem right.
The first line inferring '3rd' seems to make sense. What do you think?
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Post by elysethecat on Jul 21, 2019 16:03:22 GMT -5
My favorite solution for this stanza so far is MrPoirot's Greek church. Second favorite is 42.
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Post by efanton on Jul 21, 2019 22:00:26 GMT -5
Is Lukas giving us a coordinate? or a latitude or longitude?
North 42 would be black sea area/lattitude. East 30 would put us in the middle of the black sea with no island or wreck near it as far as I can see.
But correct me here please a Turkey scores what in bowling? Is it 30? the next plus 2 could that be 30+2
Something could be astride a latitude or longitude maybe?
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Post by elysethecat on Jul 22, 2019 4:13:41 GMT -5
In bowling, a turkey is three strikes in a row. A strike is ten points plus the points scored in the next two throws. Points aren't attributed to a turkey in so much as the word is used to describe the action of three strikes in a row. A turkey takes up three frames (or one if it's thrown in the 10th frame). I guess a turkey could be attributed to up to 90 points? If a turkey is thrown, the first strike becomes 30 points, the next becomes 20 + the next throw, the last strike is 10 + the next two throws. So you see, a turkey has no set value. It's simply a descriptive noun. Bagger (sometimes hambone) is four strikes in a row. You've got terms like "double", "sixer" etc, all to describe strike runs of varying lengths.
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Post by efanton on Jul 22, 2019 7:56:41 GMT -5
In bowling, a turkey is three strikes in a row. A strike is ten points plus the points scored in the next two throws. Points aren't attributed to a turkey in so much as the word is used to describe the action of three strikes in a row. A turkey takes up three frames (or one if it's thrown in the 10th frame). I guess a turkey could be attributed to up to 90 points? If a turkey is thrown, the first strike becomes 30 points, the next becomes 20 + the next throw, the last strike is 10 + the next two throws. So you see, a turkey has no set value. It's simply a descriptive noun. Bagger (sometimes hambone) is four strikes in a row. You've got terms like "double", "sixer" etc, all to describe strike runs of varying lengths. The way you have written that a Turkey would give 60 points plus the next throw. If that throw was a strike then it would no longer be a turkey. If the stanza was split to give two clues, first two lines, last two lines, then the first line NEXT could be referring to the second clue (Turkey) Next (turkey =60) plus 2 would give us 62 if it was a latitude (N62) that would put us up near the arctic circle. that doesn't seem very promising If it was E62 that would put us in Russia, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Pakistan (extreme west) or Iran (extreme east). None of which border Turkey, but Turkmenistan and its golden horses pops up again. If it was W62 that would put us in Nova Scotia (unfortunately not close enough to Oak Island), or the eastern coast of Canada. Seemed like another good idea, but I cant see how any of the above would work
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