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Post by captnkush on Sept 29, 2019 15:16:35 GMT -5
Ive been thinking if this is talking about forrest fenns treasure hunt that this might be f2 as 2 f's (ff).or if its a number were after on most all American currency are the words e plurbus unem written astride the eagle .translates to out of many,one.so then you get 1+2=3 or 03 or possibly 1 plus 2 = 12. I mention the money connection as i once heard a very similar riddle where a eagle was the bird that was rarely thrown.as you rarely throw money around.ive been trying like heck to find where i originally heard it but as of yet no luck.i also remember spare no expense as part of it.
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Post by luna on Oct 2, 2019 21:59:11 GMT -5
Out of all the stanzas for the first key, this one has me the most confused. Here's what I've been playing around with just now:
If we go with the Turkey theory, close to Turkey, on the right side (beside a bird that's rarely thrown) is the country of Azerbaijan. There is a city in Azerbaijan named Ganja. It is believed that the name of the city comes from the Persian word ganj which means "treasure".
Looking at the city of Ganja on google maps, it appears that it is flanked by the European route E60 (astride a treasure). This particular part of E60 in Azerbaijan is called "M2". Based on all of this, I've been using the key tester to try a number of different combinations of the first key using 360 (E60 with the E converted to a keypad number), 602 (the next plus 2 - E60 +2), and 622 (M2 with the M converted to a keypad number +2) as the answer to this stanza. So far, no luck! Although that could be due to this solve for this stanza being wrong or my solves for the other two stanzas being wrong.
The only thing I don't like about this particular theory is that it doesn't seem to fit in with "a treasure ON ITS OWN". I'm not sure how Ganja can be interpreted as being "on its own".
Anyway, just thought I would share in case anyone can build off of this!
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Post by iggyjeckel on Oct 3, 2019 15:44:35 GMT -5
New here so... Hi. Anyways I have an idea that has been bouncing around in my head about this stanza and the first key all together.
The first key is quite standard Ten cuts, ten pins and turn But the key is split in three And must be put together first
above is the key structure. I'm thinking the Ten Cuts, Ten Pins and a turn are descriptions of the three separate sections of the key. Somehow 'ten cuts' will help solve the first piece, 'ten pins' help solve the second, and 'turn' will solve the third part.
The reason I'm posting it for this stanza is the 'ten pins' might be talking about bowling. I have read through some of this thread and haven't seen any mention that bowling 3 strikes in a row is called a Turkey ( pretty easy since its just three ) bowling 6 strikes is a Wild Turkey ( a little more difficult ) but bowling 9 straight strikes in a row is called a 'Golden Turkey' and I'm guessing this would be quite rarely thrown.
The next plus two is found Astride a treasure on its own Spare no expense, search everywhere Beside a bird that’s rarely thrown <---
My guess is that this section will have 3 numbers ( next plus two = 3?) and that the last number might be a 9
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Post by efanton on Oct 3, 2019 16:19:22 GMT -5
New here so... Hi. Anyways I have an idea that has been bouncing around in my head about this stanza and the first key all together. The first key is quite standard Ten cuts, ten pins and turn But the key is split in three And must be put together first above is the key structure. I'm thinking the Ten Cuts, Ten Pins and a turn are descriptions of the three separate sections of the key. Somehow 'ten cuts' will help solve the first piece, 'ten pins' help solve the second, and 'turn' will solve the third part. The reason I'm posting it for this stanza is the 'ten pins' might be talking about bowling. I have read through some of this thread and haven't seen any mention that bowling 3 strikes in a row is called a Turkey ( pretty easy since its just three ) bowling 6 strikes is a Wild Turkey ( a little more difficult ) but bowling 9 straight strikes in a row is called a 'Golden Turkey' and I'm guessing this would be quite rarely thrown. The next plus two is found Astride a treasure on its own Spare no expense, search everywhere Beside a bird that’s rarely thrown <--- My guess is that this section will have 3 numbers ( next plus two = 3?) and that the last number might be a 9 Welcome aboard. I suggest you take a little time and read all the threads in the forum. Each stanza of the riddle has its own thread. There has been a huge amount of discussion on different ideas and theories, some of which we have been able to dismiss, others still in contention. There's no point you chasing an idea if its no longer valid, and for some ideas that might be still in contention a lot of work has already been put into them so you dont have too. there's also little to be gained by posting an idea that has already been discussed unless you are adding something new. It's well worth reading what has already been posted, you might see something we have missed and bring new insight, and it will help you avoid some of the rabbit holes that led nowhere. Be aware that Lukas has released some additional clues for the hunt, so check them out too.
You are 3 or 4 months late with that idea. Its been discussed A LOT in the relevant thread for stanza 4. I dont recall that being mentioned before, (I could be wrong), but you have to suggest or work out how that would be relevant in the context of the puzzle. This has already been suggested but developed slightly more. Ten Cuts (possibly an album), ten pins (bowling) and turn (no one has really come up with a really good theory for that yet, maybe you will). Always good to see new forum members looking to get involved in the hunt, who might bring new ideas or insights.
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Post by eledecer on Oct 11, 2019 14:45:04 GMT -5
I’ve been thinking the “astride a treasure on its own” could mean that two digits are on either side of an x? _x_ X marks the spot and would be its own treasure in the verse/key? Still working on how the rest could fit in
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Post by grayjames on Oct 24, 2019 8:21:32 GMT -5
Anyone outside of the bowling analogy? Anyone have a thought out of the box on this one? Hi! Quick introduction-- I just watched the Episode of Expedition Unknown this weekend and have since discovered all of these message boards about this hunt. I was instantly hooked and have read through almost everything that has been discussed so far. You are all amazing puzzle solvers! “Bird Rarely Thrown”- -Mark Fidrych aka “The Bird” Detroit Tigers pitcher who was injured early in his career. #20 -“Feathers” in darts is 33 -“Turkey” in darts is 30 -Currency: There is a US gold coin called the Eagle, The US Treasury Building is on the $10 bill, $100 bill has the Declaration of Independence "astride a treasure on its own" meaning our independence? Stretch, I know! -I really know nothing about Dungeons and Dragons or Pokemon, but maybe a card that is bird related? I know Pokemon have a # in the Pokedex. Kenku is a D&D bird that guards/steals treasure? Not sure if any of these help, but I have been trying to come up with other ideas for the bird!
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Post by captnkush on Oct 24, 2019 16:22:23 GMT -5
Always great to see fresh new thoughts
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Post by susb8383 on Oct 24, 2019 17:03:50 GMT -5
Out of all the stanzas for the first key, this one has me the most confused. Here's what I've been playing around with just now: If we go with the Turkey theory, close to Turkey, on the right side (beside a bird that's rarely thrown) is the country of Azerbaijan. There is a city in Azerbaijan named Ganja. It is believed that the name of the city comes from the Persian word ganj which means "treasure". Looking at the city of Ganja on google maps, it appears that it is flanked by the European route E60 (astride a treasure). This particular part of E60 in Azerbaijan is called "M2". Based on all of this, I've been using the key tester to try a number of different combinations of the first key using 360 (E60 with the E converted to a keypad number), 602 (the next plus 2 - E60 +2), and 622 (M2 with the M converted to a keypad number +2) as the answer to this stanza. So far, no luck! Although that could be due to this solve for this stanza being wrong or my solves for the other two stanzas being wrong. The only thing I don't like about this particular theory is that it doesn't seem to fit in with "a treasure ON ITS OWN". I'm not sure how Ganja can be interpreted as being "on its own". Anyway, just thought I would share in case anyone can build off of this! Thats exactly the same theory i already posted, but mine was a country in iran that translates to treasure, split by route 92 .
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Post by treasurer on Nov 5, 2019 16:06:53 GMT -5
Anyone outside of the bowling analogy? Anyone have a thought out of the box on this one? Hi! Quick introduction-- I just watched the Episode of Expedition Unknown this weekend and have since discovered all of these message boards about this hunt. I was instantly hooked and have read through almost everything that has been discussed so far. You are all amazing puzzle solvers! “Bird Rarely Thrown”- -Mark Fidrych aka “The Bird” Detroit Tigers pitcher who was injured early in his career. #20 -“Feathers” in darts is 33 -“Turkey” in darts is 30 -Currency: There is a US gold coin called the Eagle, The US Treasury Building is on the $10 bill, $100 bill has the Declaration of Independence "astride a treasure on its own" meaning our independence? Stretch, I know! -I really know nothing about Dungeons and Dragons or Pokemon, but maybe a card that is bird related? I know Pokemon have a # in the Pokedex. Kenku is a D&D bird that guards/steals treasure? Not sure if any of these help, but I have been trying to come up with other ideas for the bird! elysethecat, thanks for giving up your question about Stanza #4 so that the rest of us could verify "No sea legs here=C6". I personally found that very helpful.
You said you just couldn't make sense of Stanza 4 so here is my take on it. This is just me rehashing what some others have said or eluded to. I'm comfortable with this... it's just that I can't prove anything other than to say I'm still incorrect somewhere in part 1,2, or 3 of KEY #1 because my solve has not worked.
I'm just not settled with the "bird rarely thrown" being a turkey. I am, however, excited about the bird being an "eagle". An Eagle is the name of a particular type of United States coin. The image of the bird itself can also be found on some other U.S.A. currency. Anything to do with money could be considered treasure. Both coins and currency bills have a front and back that could portray some kind symbol, number, or wording that is astride the object. Here's my example and I hope this opens a door for something:
The next plus two is found astride...
a treasure (money) on its own Spare no expense (money),
search everywhere beside (search for something on the side of a money object) a bird that’s rarely thrown (don't throw your money away... an eagle coin)
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Post by efanton on Nov 5, 2019 17:18:51 GMT -5
Hi! Quick introduction-- I just watched the Episode of Expedition Unknown this weekend and have since discovered all of these message boards about this hunt. I was instantly hooked and have read through almost everything that has been discussed so far. You are all amazing puzzle solvers! “Bird Rarely Thrown”- -Mark Fidrych aka “The Bird” Detroit Tigers pitcher who was injured early in his career. #20 -“Feathers” in darts is 33 -“Turkey” in darts is 30 -Currency: There is a US gold coin called the Eagle, The US Treasury Building is on the $10 bill, $100 bill has the Declaration of Independence "astride a treasure on its own" meaning our independence? Stretch, I know! -I really know nothing about Dungeons and Dragons or Pokemon, but maybe a card that is bird related? I know Pokemon have a # in the Pokedex. Kenku is a D&D bird that guards/steals treasure? Not sure if any of these help, but I have been trying to come up with other ideas for the bird! elysethecat, thanks for giving up your question about Stanza #4 so that the rest of us could verify "No sea legs here=C6". I personally found that very helpful.
You said you just couldn't make sense of Stanza 4 so here is my take on it. This is just me rehashing what some others have said or eluded to. I'm comfortable with this... it's just that I can't prove anything other than to say I'm still incorrect somewhere in part 1,2, or 3 of KEY #1 because my solve has not worked.
I'm just not settled with the "bird rarely thrown" being a turkey. I am, however, excited about the bird being an "eagle". An Eagle is the name of a particular type of United States coin. The image of the bird itself can also be found on some other U.S.A. currency. Anything to do with money could be considered treasure. Both coins and currency bills have a front and back that could portray some kind symbol, number, or wording that is astride the object. Here's my example and I hope this opens a door for something:
The next plus two is found astride...
a treasure (money) on its own Spare no expense (money),
search everywhere beside (search for something on the side of a money object) a bird that’s rarely thrown (don't throw your money away... an eagle coin)
The problem with dropping the Turkey idea is how is your alternative theory fitting in with the clue Personally I'm not prepared to accept any alternative theory relating to stanza 4 that does not revolve around Turkey, unless along with the theory a logical explanation of how TEN PINS also fits in. I think the 'Ten cuts, ten pins and turn' is the crucial clue in getting a final solve for the first key.
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Post by captnkush on Nov 5, 2019 19:27:13 GMT -5
You may very well be right about ten pins . But following that logic how do you get Dearborn for ten cuts? I personally am not sure ten cuts ten pins and turn must correspond with the next 3 stanzas in that exact manner. Ten pins could simply be telling us its a ten digit number. Ten cuts and turn could also just be conveying something about key #1 in general. Until a little more information is gleaned it doesn't seem wise to completely dismiss anything. There are some sound logical thoughts as to why it might be a coin or a particular currency.
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Post by efanton on Nov 5, 2019 21:47:09 GMT -5
You may very well be right about ten pins . But following that logic how do you get Dearborn for ten cuts? I personally am not sure ten cuts ten pins and turn must correspond with the next 3 stanzas in that exact manner. Ten pins could simply be telling us its a ten digit number. Ten cuts and turn could also just be conveying something about key #1 in general. Until a little more information is gleaned it doesn't seem wise to completely dismiss anything. There are some sound logical thoughts as to why it might be a coin or a particular currency. Because there was a album released called Dearborn or 313 ( cant remember which) that had ten tracks on it. Im still not totally convinced that 313 is the right answer to be honest. Its something I am working on to see if there are other albums that would match the clues. Like I have said i am not dismissing other ideas totally. I am personally dismissing any theory that doesnt tie in with the ten cuts, ten pins and turn clue. Having spent the afternoon grinding away typing in all the possibilities for 313/313-prefixes/4566 its becoming obvious to me that simply getting an answer for a stanza is not enough. I pretty certain the 4566 ARE NOT the last 4 digits of the 1st key. I have one more idea to try sometime this week but once that's out of the way I would probably become totally convinced that 'ten cuts, ten pins and turn' is the biggest clue that Lukas has given. If you have a theory about any of the stanzas that tie in with that then I am willing to be persuaded, but as is usual with Lukas nothing is as straight forward as it seems. I think he deliberately put in the 'ten cuts, ten pins and turn' to add a twist to solving the first key, and if we ignore that then we are going nowhere. As I said thats my personal belief, I'm not expecting everyone to agree with me. But it would be great to see other theories that not only answer the individual stanza's but also tie in with ther 'ten cuts, ten pins and turn' clue.
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Post by treasurer on Nov 5, 2019 22:56:33 GMT -5
You may very well be right about ten pins . But following that logic how do you get Dearborn for ten cuts? I personally am not sure ten cuts ten pins and turn must correspond with the next 3 stanzas in that exact manner. Ten pins could simply be telling us its a ten digit number. Ten cuts and turn could also just be conveying something about key #1 in general. Until a little more information is gleaned it doesn't seem wise to completely dismiss anything. There are some sound logical thoughts as to why it might be a coin or a particular currency. Because there was a album released called Dearborn or 313 ( cant remember which) that had ten tracks on it. Im still not totally convinced that 313 is the right answer to be honest. Its something I am working on to see if there are other albums that would match the clues. Like I have said i am not dismissing other ideas totally. I am personally dismissing any theory that doesnt tie in with the ten cuts, ten pins and turn clue. Having spent the afternoon grinding away typing in all the possibilities for 313/313-prefixes/4566 its becoming obvious to me that simply getting an answer for a stanza is not enough. I pretty certain the 4566 ARE NOT the last 4 digits of the 1st key. I have one more idea to try sometime this week but once that's out of the way I would probably become totally convinced that 'ten cuts, ten pins and turn' is the biggest clue that Lukas has given. If you have a theory about any of the stanzas that tie in with that then I am willing to be persuaded, but as is usual with Lukas nothing is as straight forward as it seems. I think he deliberately put in the 'ten cuts, ten pins and turn' to add a twist to solving the first key, and if we ignore that then we are going nowhere. As I said thats my personal belief, I'm not expecting everyone to agree with me. But it would be great to see other theories that not only answer the individual stanza's but also tie in with ther 'ten cuts, ten pins and turn' clue. efanton, you are amazing in your convictions and diligence. Definitely there is more to this riddle than a simple (313) XXX-4566. Now in that context, what if Stanza 2 is simply referring to this... only saying we need a phone number for KEY 1 without any other hidden meaning? If that were true, then there are other possibilities for stanza 3, 4, and 5 answers. Is the following a stretch or is it just a simple answer? You decide...
The first key is quite standard Ten cuts, ten pins and turn But the key is split in three And must be put together first
(and this can = a phone number which is a 10 digit number which has already been acknowledged)
Ten cuts... I see ten holes Ten pins... It takes ten finger insertions to complete a phone number
Turn... Dialing
(Simple with no hidden meaning)
Meaning: Stanza #2 is only stating the answer to Key 1 is a phone number (this is just my interpretation, right or wrong). And keep in mind that Lukas likes period stuff (example: like a rotary phone) so maybe all of our answers are inspired by things from the 80's... like Harry Potter influences!
Anyway, I was just wanting to help elysethecat find some kind of direction for Stanza 4, and I contributed in the best way I knew how. Now I'm on to Stanza 5. See you all there!
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Post by efanton on Nov 6, 2019 7:28:56 GMT -5
Because there was a album released called Dearborn or 313 ( cant remember which) that had ten tracks on it. Im still not totally convinced that 313 is the right answer to be honest. Its something I am working on to see if there are other albums that would match the clues. Like I have said i am not dismissing other ideas totally. I am personally dismissing any theory that doesnt tie in with the ten cuts, ten pins and turn clue. Having spent the afternoon grinding away typing in all the possibilities for 313/313-prefixes/4566 its becoming obvious to me that simply getting an answer for a stanza is not enough. I pretty certain the 4566 ARE NOT the last 4 digits of the 1st key. I have one more idea to try sometime this week but once that's out of the way I would probably become totally convinced that 'ten cuts, ten pins and turn' is the biggest clue that Lukas has given. If you have a theory about any of the stanzas that tie in with that then I am willing to be persuaded, but as is usual with Lukas nothing is as straight forward as it seems. I think he deliberately put in the 'ten cuts, ten pins and turn' to add a twist to solving the first key, and if we ignore that then we are going nowhere. As I said thats my personal belief, I'm not expecting everyone to agree with me. But it would be great to see other theories that not only answer the individual stanza's but also tie in with ther 'ten cuts, ten pins and turn' clue. efanton, you are amazing in your convictions and diligence. Definitely there is more to this riddle than a simple (313) XXX-4566. Now in that context, what if Stanza 2 is simply referring to this... only saying we need a phone number for KEY 1 without any other hidden meaning? If that were true, then there are other possibilities for stanza 3, 4, and 5 answers. Is the following a stretch or is it just a simple answer? You decide...
The first key is quite standard Ten cuts, ten pins and turn But the key is split in three And must be put together first
(and this can = a phone number which is a 10 digit number which has already been acknowledged)
Ten cuts... I see ten holes Ten pins... It takes ten finger insertions to complete a phone number
Turn... Dialing
(Simple with no hidden meaning)
Meaning: Stanza #2 is only stating the answer to Key 1 is a phone number (this is just my interpretation, right or wrong). And keep in mind that Lukas likes period stuff (example: like a rotary phone) so maybe all of our answers are inspired by things from the 80's... like Harry Potter influences!
Anyway, I was just wanting to help elysethecat find some kind of direction for Stanza 4, and I contributed in the best way I knew how. Now I'm on to Stanza 5. See you all there!
I see absolutely nothing wrong in that interpretation. If that's what you are working with then it appears you don't have to manipulate the answers to the stanza's or try make them fit with the 'ten cuts, ten pins and turn' clue. Its certainly a different twist on the clue, but I have to admit its a logical interpretation. Now that you have taken into account all the clues and given a logical explanation of how they fit then yes I would have to agree that your theory is valid. It might not be one that I agree to, but if we all thought the same way then these hunts would be a waste of time. What I could not previously accept was a a new theory that did not appear to, (or was not explained fully), explain how it fit with the ten cuts, ten pins and turn clue.
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Post by treasurer on Nov 20, 2019 12:34:49 GMT -5
GeneticBlend & goldenchild brought up the movie "Goonies" for Stanza 5's "play it carefully" reference.
Somebody else (my apologies for not remembering who) brought up the movie "E.T." for Stanza 3 in referencing "phone home."
Considering a possibility of a movie theme connection for KEY 1, does anybody have any comments about the following...
Could the Phoenix in Harry Potter be associated with Stanza 4? Did something happen beside the Phoenix?
What other movies could tie into this stanza?
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