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Post by keladry12 on Sept 29, 2019 21:11:30 GMT -5
No, I haven't thought of any ciphers for this. I have played the four notes a number of times to see if I can hear any songs (I was focused particularly on popular movie or TV themes for a bit) but didn't get anywhere there. Frankly, it's a very odd sort of "melody". I wonder if it's not quite a bit simpler than we're imagining.
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Post by keladry12 on Oct 9, 2019 7:26:04 GMT -5
Have we considered MIDI numbers? Each note in MIDI is mapped to a number 0-127.
C4=60 F5=77 C6=84 E6=88
Added together it's 309...hm. Anything?
Edited to add: looks like it's been mentioned, but not really explored much. Any new thoughts on this mapping?
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Post by eledecer on Oct 9, 2019 12:29:05 GMT -5
Hi! This is my first post on this forum, but I’ve spent a few days trying to go through and read everything that’s been posted- please forgive me if I’ve missed anything, there’s a lot of ideas thrown around! Anyways, I’ve had something stuck in my mind that I can’t get past.
The alphanumeric lines are a great idea and there’s clearly a lot that they could be used for. But I keep thinking it’s really strange that it would go from something well known and common (C4) to an obscure song reference from a Norwegian band. I personally assumed “song” was just referring to something by D.D.E, not literally being a song. A lot of sayings initially came to mind from this- same old song and dance, someone changed their tune, etc.- not that these are at all relevant, but they make me think there’s another, less literal, meaning to song here.
I’ve also seen D.D.E before, it was a crossword clue referring to Dwight D. Eisenhower. Again, not sure where/if that could go anywhere, but I’ve been stuck on it and just wanted to throw it out there
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Post by exo on Oct 9, 2019 13:12:45 GMT -5
Not sure if this is helpful as it still results in a 6, but the common vitamin for seasickness is B6
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Post by susb8383 on Oct 11, 2019 16:03:02 GMT -5
I just had a thought about "no sea legs here."
How about K2? Since a mountain is tall, you definitely wouldn't have any sea legs there.
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Post by susb8383 on Oct 12, 2019 6:35:57 GMT -5
Another thought about k2: he says no sea legs HERE. Doesnt that denote a place? If the answer was c6, why wouldnt he just say “no sea legs?”
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Post by goldenchild on Oct 12, 2019 13:02:47 GMT -5
Another thought about k2: he says no sea legs HERE. Doesnt that denote a place? If the answer was c6, why wouldnt he just say “no sea legs?” wow good point. That makes me feel c6 is most likely not correct.
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Post by efanton on Oct 12, 2019 19:10:04 GMT -5
I too have been having doubts about C4 F5 C6 E6. I have tried loads of different ideas and I cant get any of them to work.
I like the idea of an alternative being put forward to C6. The only concern I have with K2 is 'K' is neither a musical note nor used in Hexadecimal numbers which doesn't follow the pattern of the other answers. Maybe its just coincidence that they do, or is this Lukas getting 'Tricky' as promised in the stanza.
I have to admit though I would feel a lot more comfortable if other solutions could be found that do fit into the format of hexadecimal numbers or musical notes.
I'll play along with it for a while and see what pops out, nothing ventured nothing gained. We need a breakthrough and even if K2 is wrong, trying to use it as part of a solution might lead to other ideas.
Another thing I was thinking about was the hint TURN. (ten cuts, ten pins and turn) I was thinking again about TURN as in the musical term. This has been mention before but in a slightly different context. In the context of musical notes it would be something like D C B C. (starting note + 1, starting note, starting note - 1, starting note) If we applied that to numbers you would get something like 3212 Now if we try to apply that to what we have already it does not work. The only way it could possibly work would be to change one of the answers and then reorder the answers
Changing the E6 to a x5 (x being any musical note) would give us 6545 (but are we prepared to give up the E6 solution?)
If we assumed we got the first two clues right then the last two answers must be x3 x4 to give 5434
To incorporate a 2 we would need to arrive at 4323, but that would require changing three answers so it is extremely unlikely
6545 and 5434 are probably the only answers that could work with this 'TURN' theory without having to through the baby out with the bath water along with most of the possible solutions we have reached so far.
If we used an inverted turn we could get 4565 meaning the C6 or E6 answers would have to be an x5. That would mean changing the C6 to an X5 as we are fairly certain the E6 is correct. How could we get an x5 for the clue 'No sea legs here'?
I do agree we need to start being very suspicious of the C4 F5 C6 E6. Lets have a play with the K2 idea and while we are at it keep the TURN hint in the back of our mind. Some how I think TURN has been put there as a major clue, but we just have not seen its relevance. The idea I have put forward above might be complete rubbish, but maybe there are other ways to interpret TURN while we are playing with the K2
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Post by jewelie on Oct 12, 2019 22:06:51 GMT -5
I was looking at a piano keyboard today, and I noticed another possibility for stanza 5. If we continue to work with C4 F5 C6 E6, I would like to propose 1153 as a solution. The number of keys between C4 and F5 is 11. The number of keys between F5 and C6 is 5. And the number of keys between C6 and E6 is 3. This solution would follow along well with the "play it carefully" clue.
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Post by susb8383 on Oct 13, 2019 7:30:24 GMT -5
That's a good idea, and it's a direction we've haven't tried yet.
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Post by keladry12 on Oct 13, 2019 9:34:53 GMT -5
I was looking at a piano keyboard today, and I noticed another possibility for stanza 5. If we continue to work with C4 F5 C6 E6, I would like to propose 1153 as a solution. The number of keys between C4 and F5 is 11. The number of keys between F5 and C6 is 5. And the number of keys between C6 and E6 is 3. This solution would follow along well with the "play it carefully" clue. Love this idea, but I don't understand where you're getting your numbers. When I count the black and white keys between (non - inclusive) c6 and e6 I do get 3, but for c4 to f5 I get 16 and f5 to c6 is 6. So, following the method I understood you to be using, I got 1663. Did I do something differently than you? Edit: Oh, you're doing white keys only, inclusive! Awesome, that's the interval between the notes, which was another idea I thought of thanks to you. And then I realized that's what you'd found in your counting scheme. 😆
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Post by keladry12 on Oct 13, 2019 9:41:01 GMT -5
I would also like to suggest using the number of half steps between them instead, which is to say, how far a music theorist would say you traveled to play the notes. Just add one to my previous numbers, so 1774.
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Post by flash911 on Oct 16, 2019 19:46:40 GMT -5
Newbie here. Have been skimming through the posts so I apologize if this has already been mentioned...
If we are looking for a number / part of a phone number, perhaps converting from hexadecimal to decimal might help:
Hex Dec --- --- C4 196 F5 245 C6 198 E6 230 --- Total 869 (phone number prefix? For ex., 313-869-XXXX)
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Post by treasurer on Nov 6, 2019 12:16:45 GMT -5
I'm just trying to get into Lukas' head so I have a question. I know this has already been mentioned somewhere on this board, but I'd like to bring the subject up again now. I'm an old guy (57) and grew up with a rotary dial phone. We didn't get to choose our phone number.
So in understanding the answer to KEY 1, do you think Lukas crafted the clues to accommodate an existing phone number, or just the opposite, did he craft the clues first and was somehow able to create a phone number to match?
Analyzing C4 F5 C6 E6 just seems to accurate and contrived to be random. How is he adapting these clues to form a 4 digit number that he may/may not have influence over?
Am I asking the right question?
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Post by efanton on Nov 6, 2019 12:24:46 GMT -5
I'm just trying to get into Lukas' head so I have a question. I know this has already been mentioned somewhere on this board, but I'd like to bring the subject up again now. I'm an old guy (57) and grew up with a rotary dial phone. We didn't get to choose our phone number. So in understanding the answer to KEY 1, do you think Lukas crafted the clues to accommodate an existing phone number, or just the opposite, did he craft the clues first and was somehow able to create a phone number to match? Analyzing C4 F5 C6 E6 just seems to accurate and contrived to be random. How is he adapting these clues to form a 4 digit number that he may/may not have influence over? Am I asking the right question? I would say Lukas as a person is extremely methodical and patient. If you think about it, having a two step solve is not as difficult as it sounds. IF, and I still have doubts, key 1 is a telephone number, all he had to do is convert that to the C4 F5 C6 E6 , and then phrase his clues in stanza 5 to match. I would say he had the telephone number first and built backwards from there.
From the mini-hunt solution he seems to revel in adding complications and tricks to his hunts. Take one thing for certain, SIMPLE is simply not a word in his vocabulary.
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