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Post by zaphod73491 on Jun 18, 2019 14:40:14 GMT -5
No, wasn't familiar with the Cluny Museum. We had very full days visiting all the spots we wanted to hit that we had never visited on prior visits to Paris (St. Chapelle, Sacre Coeur, the Rodin Museum, the Pantheon, Jardin des Plantes, Musee de L'Orangerie in the Tuileries, and Parc Monceau). And we finally saw the catacombs deep beneath the city in the 14th arrondissement: very cool (in more than one way!)
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Post by heidini on Jun 18, 2019 21:45:42 GMT -5
No, wasn't familiar with the Cluny Museum. We had very full days visiting all the spots we wanted to hit that we had never visited on prior visits to Paris (St. Chapelle, Sacre Coeur, the Rodin Museum, the Pantheon, Jardin des Plantes, Musee de L'Orangerie in the Tuileries, and Parc Monceau). And we finally saw the catacombs deep beneath the city in the 14th arrondissement: very cool (in more than one way!) Sounds like you had a great trip. I love the Sacré Coeur and Boheme/ hippie feeling it has on the ground surrounding it. I hate Rodin just because how he treated Camille Claudette but he was great in his own right. I felt super uncomfortable in the catacombs. My friend loved it but I felt it was super creepy and was so happy to get out of there.
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Post by Bownarrow on Jun 19, 2019 1:02:23 GMT -5
No, wasn't familiar with the Cluny Museum. We had very full days visiting all the spots we wanted to hit that we had never visited on prior visits to Paris (St. Chapelle, Sacre Coeur, the Rodin Museum, the Pantheon, Jardin des Plantes, Musee de L'Orangerie in the Tuileries, and Parc Monceau). And we finally saw the catacombs deep beneath the city in the 14th arrondissement: very cool (in more than one way!) Sounds like a wonderful trip. The Cluny is one of the less well known museums but a gem if you are interested in medieval history. I visited it a few years back and I would like to make a return visit sometime.
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Post by Bownarrow on Jun 19, 2019 1:36:44 GMT -5
If the box is not in the Cluny Museum perhaps the Cluny is a clue to the hiding place. The etymology of Cluny says that it means " harbor of the brave men". This brings to mind "If you are brave and in the wood".
The word "harbor" means in general terms a shelter. With this in mind, Cluny could be said to refer to a "shelter of the brave men".
Or:
"Arabic lesson No. 1: fenn. It means art..."
Cluny Museum -> Cl un y Museum -> Clay Museum -> Fenn Museum -> Art(A.) Museum
From the above, the Cluny Museum could refer to the "Fenn Museum" or a "Art Museum"
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Post by Bownarrow on Jun 19, 2019 1:48:39 GMT -5
"Arabic lesson No. 1: fenn. It means art..."
With the above in mind, "Forrest Fenn" would be cognate with "Wood Art".
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Post by heidini on Jun 19, 2019 5:02:35 GMT -5
If the box is not in the Cluny Museum perhaps the Cluny is a clue to the hiding place. The etymology of Cluny says that it means " harbor of the brave men". This brings to mind "If you are brave and in the wood".
The word "harbor" means in general terms a shelter. With this in mind, Cluny could be said to refer to a "shelter of the brave men".
Or:
"Arabic lesson No. 1: fenn. It means art..."
Cluny Museum -> Cl un y Museum -> Clay Museum -> Fenn Museum -> Art(A.) Museum
From the above, the Cluny Museum could refer to the "Fenn Museum" or a "Art Museum"
I disagree. Google translate Fenn came up as “fyn” pronounced fighn- knee (like high knee) and translates back as meaning “where”. I put “art” in as English, Arabic came back as “fan” pronounced pronounced fan.
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Post by Bownarrow on Jun 19, 2019 11:34:33 GMT -5
I disagree. Google translate Fenn came up as “fyn” pronounced fighn- knee (like high knee) and translates back as meaning “where”. I put “art” in as English, Arabic came back as “fan” pronounced pronounced fan. Hi Heidini,
It seems the spellings/pronunciation are interchangeable.
"El Fen" / "Al Fan" (The Fine Arts). Melody composed by Mohammed Abdel Wahab (1907-1991).
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Post by Bownarrow on Jun 19, 2019 13:04:18 GMT -5
A. The works generally enjoined for the gaining of Indulgences are: The saying of certain prayers, fasting, and the use of certain articles of devotion; visits to Churches or altars, and the giving of alms.
In reading up about these messenger boxes it appears at one time they were thought to be alms boxes. According to the above, the giving of alms is a way of gaining an "Indulgence" . This provides another way of connecting this type of box with ff's box.
Another term that has been used in the literature to describe these messenger boxes is a "strong-box". This term is synonymous with another term that ff has used to describe his box - "Lock-box".
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Post by zaphod73491 on Jun 19, 2019 16:10:17 GMT -5
No, wasn't familiar with the Cluny Museum. We had very full days visiting all the spots we wanted to hit that we had never visited on prior visits to Paris (St. Chapelle, Sacre Coeur, the Rodin Museum, the Pantheon, Jardin des Plantes, Musee de L'Orangerie in the Tuileries, and Parc Monceau). And we finally saw the catacombs deep beneath the city in the 14th arrondissement: very cool (in more than one way!) Sounds like you had a great trip. I love the Sacré Coeur and Boheme/ hippie feeling it has on the ground surrounding it. I hate Rodin just because how he treated Camille Claudette but he was great in his own right. I felt super uncomfortable in the catacombs. My friend loved it but I felt it was super creepy and was so happy to get out of there. I guess I would say I was equally happy to get out of the area surrounding Sacre Coeur. Pickpocket and scamster central! Warning signs (and even warning graffiti) are everywhere. Obi Wan Kenobi's words about Mos Eisley spaceport came to mind as we dodged the scam artists: "You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy." ;-)
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Post by heidini on Jun 19, 2019 20:25:05 GMT -5
Sounds like you had a great trip. I love the Sacré Coeur and Boheme/ hippie feeling it has on the ground surrounding it. I hate Rodin just because how he treated Camille Claudette but he was great in his own right. I felt super uncomfortable in the catacombs. My friend loved it but I felt it was super creepy and was so happy to get out of there. I guess I would say I was equally happy to get out of the area surrounding Sacre Coeur. Pickpocket and scamster central! Warning signs (and even warning graffiti) are everywhere. Obi Wan Kenobi's words about Mos Eisley spaceport came to mind as we dodged the scam artists: "You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy." ;-) The last time I was there, it was 2006. I’m sure lots of things have changed in 13 years.
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Post by Bownarrow on Jun 19, 2019 22:32:28 GMT -5
Forrest Fenn-> Forest art -> Silva rat -> Wood mus(L.) -> Wood sum -> Wood I am -> Wood ami -> Wood friend(F.) -> Wood cara(Gaelic) -> Wood arca -> Wood box(L.)
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Post by heidini on Jun 20, 2019 4:48:17 GMT -5
Forrest Fenn-> Forest art -> Silva rat -> Wood mus(L.) -> Wood sum -> Wood I am -> Wood ami -> Wood friend(F.) -> Wood cara(Gaelic) -> Wood arca -> Wood box(L.) Lol- Silva rat? He’s more of a Silva Fox.😂😂😂
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Post by Bownarrow on Jun 22, 2019 4:54:16 GMT -5
A bit more Arabic....
ttps://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/lute/hd_lute.htm
The origin of the lute (It.: leùto, liuto; Gr.: laute; Sp.: laúd; Fr.: luth) cannot be pinpointed to a specific date, but its close relationship to the Arab ‘ud is without doubt.
The name al ‘ud literally means “the wood”....
lute reminds me of the woman playing mandolin?( instrument in the lute family) in the "Big Picture" seen in the photo of Peggy and ff in Blue jeans and Hush Puppies Again .
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Post by Bownarrow on Jun 22, 2019 7:10:55 GMT -5
A bit more Arabic....
ttps://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/lute/hd_lute.htm
The origin of the lute (It.: leùto, liuto; Gr.: laute; Sp.: laúd; Fr.: luth) cannot be pinpointed to a specific date, but its close relationship to the Arab ‘ud is without doubt.
The name al ‘ud literally means “the wood”....
lute reminds me of the woman playing mandolin?( instrument in the lute family) in the "Big Picture" seen in the photo of Peggy and ff in Blue jeans and Hush Puppies Again .
Lute (from Latin Lutum, meaning mud, clay etc.) was a substance used to seal and affix apparatus employed in chemistry and alchemy..."
Lute (mud) brings to mind again "Lutetia" - mud town/Paris
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Post by Bownarrow on Jun 23, 2019 13:08:33 GMT -5
Assuming that Ric's memory is correct, why would ff specifically want to find an antique box that contained a "Book of Hours/Book of Days", in which to put his treasure?
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