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Post by Jenny on Aug 7, 2019 9:13:45 GMT -5
Just adding for reference:
Forrest has said: “You have to find out- you have to learn where the first clues is. They get progressively easier after you discover where the first clue is.” (beautiful world interview)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2019 14:38:26 GMT -5
Just adding for reference: Forrest has said: “You have to find out- you have to learn where the first clues is. They get progressively easier after you discover where the first clue is.” (beautiful world interview) I think when you find "Brown" the rest will open itself up.
- Ray
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Post by Jenny on Aug 21, 2019 11:25:49 GMT -5
With Forrest saying 'If I told you that you'd go right to the chest' after being asked 'who is Brown?'... it does seem Brown is a crucial clue to figure out.....
(source video below)
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Post by crm114 on Aug 22, 2019 9:58:57 GMT -5
Jenny,
Do you think he might be joking? Someone had 3 or 4 clues solved in 2016, but no chest yet. Depending on which clue you think Brown is, someone may have found it. In other interviews when he says go straight to it he seems more playful.
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Post by Jenny on Aug 22, 2019 11:03:39 GMT -5
Jenny, Do you think he might be joking? Someone had 3 or 4 clues solved in 2016, but no chest yet. Depending on which clue you think Brown is, someone may have found it. In other interviews when he says go straight to it he seems more playful. I think if you KNEW the meaning to any of the clues that link to a location.....absolutely, without a doubt, like Forrest telling you who/what Home of Brown is.... you would be able to go straight to it (either immediately or after a bit of research/BOTG). The issue with those searchers solving the first 2,3, or 4 clues is that they DID NOT KNOW...without a doubt....that they had correctly identified those clues/locations. When even the tiniest bit of doubt creeps in your mind, it is difficult to find any hidden 10x10x5 item in the wilderness..... I know this from experience in other hunts...doubt is a killer... (For example, in one hunt I looked directly at the location/item I needed to find and didn't see it at first...but thank goodness I looked again. I was 99.99% sure it was there...and it was..but....I almost missed it...)
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Post by van on Aug 22, 2019 15:54:04 GMT -5
The What Ifs, So what if....
So I wrote a poem containing nine clues that if followed precisely, will lead to the end of my rainbow and the treasure.
"So if followed precisely" i.e. The starting point in the poem (to find WWWH) is "So".
"So why is it that I must go and leave my trove for all to seek? The answers I already know....
The answers I already know (anagram) = The keyword answer is nail (from bownarrow)
Possible answer = "Fade" , anagrammed with Halt = Flathead, type of nail. But "Flathead" is to general for WWWH.
I am thinking, there may be a second part that needs to be solved from "So hear me all and listen good" to narrow down the location related to Flathead.
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Post by omni on Aug 23, 2019 2:02:41 GMT -5
Jenny, Do you think he might be joking? Someone had 3 or 4 clues solved in 2016, but no chest yet. Depending on which clue you think Brown is, someone may have found it. In other interviews when he says go straight to it he seems more playful. I think if you KNEW the meaning to any of the clues that link to a location.....absolutely, without a doubt, like Forrest telling you who/what Home of Brown is.... you would be able to go straight to it (either immediately or after a bit of research/BOTG). The issue with those searchers solving the first 2,3, or 4 clues is that they DID NOT KNOW...without a doubt....that they had correctly identified those clues/locations. When even the tiniest bit of doubt creeps in your mind, it is difficult to find any hidden 10x10x5 item in the wilderness..... I know this from experience in other hunts...doubt is a killer... (For example, in one hunt I looked directly at the location/item I needed to find and didn't see it at first...but thank goodness I looked again. I was 99.99% sure it was there...and it was..but....I almost missed it...) I think many of the people who were closest didn't really solve the clues as much as they guessed at them. Without the certainty these folks search the 'spot' they think it is and when they don't find it they assume they got the clues wrong.
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Post by Jenny on Sept 11, 2019 6:09:18 GMT -5
I agree...... it seems from comments made by Forrest that there isn't a way to know you have the first clue identified correctly, until you have found the chest--- and ALL the clues fell into place.
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Post by zaphod73491 on Sept 11, 2019 13:50:09 GMT -5
I agree...... it seems from comments made by Forrest that there isn't a way to know you have the first clue identified correctly, until you have found the chest--- and ALL the clues fell into place. Hi Jenny: I think three scenarios are possible: (1) You guess the correct WWWH, but without solving enough of the clues that follow, you have no confidence that it's right; (2) You are a traveler who knows nothing about Forrest Fenn and you happen to stop at WWWH for completely unrelated reasons; (3) You *solve* WWWH by Forrest's intended method and "know" you've got it solved because you also solve the next 2 or 3 clues.
For #3, I put "know" in quotation marks because clearly you can't "know" with 100% certainty you've solved WWWH without actually solving all the clues and finding the bronze chest. But Forrest seems to think it's possible to have very high confidence you've solved it, based on the three following ATFs:
"The person who finds the treasure will have studied the poem over and over, and thought, and analyzed and moved with confidence. Nothing about it will be accidental."
MW Q&A (7/1/2014): "Dear Forrest, You tell us that we should find ‘where warm waters halt’ before trying to solve any of the other clues. Imagining that we haven’t seen the rest of the poem, and all we have to go on is: a. “begin it where warm waters halt” and b. “somewhere in the mountains north of Santa Fe” Do you think that we can confidently determine the starting place for your treasure trail? ~ Steve”
FF: “No, if all you have to go on are those two clues you cannot proceed with confidence." (Seems to imply proceeding with confidence is possible.)
From SB 73: "My guess is that the person who is successful will very quietly solve the clues and walk to the treasure with a smile on their face."
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Post by Jenny on Sept 11, 2019 14:11:55 GMT -5
I like that summary, Zap....and mostly agree... I feel the other clues after WWWH help confirm you have the correct location, but even then, you won't know until the chest is found whether or not your interpretations are correct..... no matter how 'great' you personally think it is...it could be wrong...
Created a video on that subject: Can Where Warm Waters Halt be confirmed?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2019 2:05:42 GMT -5
Jenny wrote:
The location of WWWH is, in your words >>> "precisely given/hinted to in the Poem in some way". And that "way" is more explicit than merely discerning it "by the rest of the poem being followed correctly".
And to your question:
The correct answer is >>> No. The searcher can not know or confirm anything about locations until the searcher retrieves the chest. That much seem obvious.
However, on this second question ...
I think searchers mislead themselves when they hear Forrest's verbal comment about not knowing for sure 'till they find the chest. That gives searchers an excuse to abandon the poem and look elsewhere for answers.
Just because we can't be sure of locations, that's not a reason to give up on the poem, since Fenn also says that everything we need to find the chest is in the poem.
So the poem will, I believe, give us the correct starting point for WWWH, and do so independently of subsequent clues. The poem will also provide additional information that gives us "high confidence" (to use zap's phrase) that our interpretation is correct.
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Post by Jenny on Sept 12, 2019 7:06:01 GMT -5
The above quote is from zap, on page 1 of this thread. The searcher who suggested YNP as WWWH obviously doesn't understand the concept of geographic (map) scale. And the idea of WWWH being the Continental Divide is just as ludicrous. (I think I know who started that theory, elsewhere). You and I are in agreement that WWWH is a precise geographic spot. And I will go a step further: even though there are many such spots north of Santa Fe, the poem alludes to one, and only one, such spot. So if the poem alludes to one spot, and only one, why didn't those who 'figured out the first two clues' know it? (Please know I'm not trying to be augmentative- just thinking) If they 'figured it out'.... it sounds like Forrest felt they found all there was given in the poem.....
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Post by Bownarrow on Sept 12, 2019 7:58:38 GMT -5
ff didn't use 'solved/figured out/mentioned correctly etc' in the sense in which you are interpreting it. i.e. knowing the location that WWWH and the other clue refers to.
I believe that ff used these words in the sense of only identifying what the first two clues were in the poem, not where they referred to. This would explain how they could be near the spot but not know it. They simply happened to be searching by chance in the vicinity of the spot.
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Post by Jenny on Sept 12, 2019 8:16:20 GMT -5
They didn't understand 'solved/figured out/mentioned correctly etc' in the sense in which you are interpreting it. i.e. knowing the location that WWWH refers to. I believe that ff used these words in the sense of only identifying what the first two clues were in the poem, but not where they referred to. This would explain how they could be near the spot but not know it. They simply happened by chance to be in the vicinity of the spot.
I understand what you are saying..... However, in one interpretation of what Forrest said, it seems to be taken that those searchers who had figured out the clues, figured out all there was to 'specifically discover' about the first two clues given in the poem... and such is the reason for Forrest then saying, 'you won't know you have them right until the chest is found'-- that wwwh is just one of the many, and the correct one is only known by the other clues being able to be followed and falling into place. I know there are many that disagree with that interpretation because their 'proposed solutions' support there being more, and I'm not saying I like it...I would love for more to be hidden in the poem about WWWH, but is there for sure? No one can say... (unless they have the chest and found other hints to wwwh). His comments seem to suggest there isn't more.....
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Post by goldilocks on Sept 12, 2019 8:35:05 GMT -5
Which is maybe why you shouldn't toss an entire solve when you don't come home with the chest. It may mean only 1 element was off but this whole idea contradicts the quote about nothing about it will be accidental and going with confidence.
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