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Post by Jenny on Jun 18, 2019 6:21:24 GMT -5
Forrest Fenn Question of the Day--- From the comment Forrest made about the little India Girl only being able to get the first two clues.... do you feel those clues are 'named/listed' on a map, and possibly the only ones to find on a map? Here is the Q/A on the Little India Girl: (From MW's Six Questions with Forrest Fenn)5Q) Your treasure hunt has inspired people worldwide to discover history, culture and nature, but many people, (even in the US) might be deterred because they don’t live near the Rockies or can’t afford to travel. Should they be deterred? Can a little girl in India, who speaks good English, but only has your poem and a map of the US Rocky Mountains, work out where the treasure is? And would she be confident as she solves each clue, or only confident when she has solved them all? A)I wish I had another treasure to hide in the Appalachians. The little girl in India cannot get closer than the first two clues. There are many disabled people who are deeply into maps and geography, and they are having a lot of fun. |
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Post by Jenny on Jun 18, 2019 7:37:09 GMT -5
It would seem that from Forrest's comment, that one take from it is, that only the place WWWH and the Canyon are found on a map.....
Suggesting that the Home of Brown is not on a map.....not even a good map....
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Post by astree on Jun 18, 2019 7:43:21 GMT -5
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Hi Jenny,
The first and third sentences in Forrests response seem disconnected to your question, which is curious. So I think he may be making glancing references in those sentences. There are some references Forrest has made, not widely discussed, related to a specific region of the Appalacians, for example. As well, I think he could be using “Appalacians” as a homonymn for “appellations”, with some specific names in mind.
His second sentence, to me, doesnt necessarily mean the girl cant solve the puzzle. I have several reasons for believing this, and i believe it is sufficient to mention that Forrests seems to indicate thst a person should be able to solve (and understand) most clues before leaving home. There could be the condition that ANY person with a general map of the Rockies, but not a specific map of the location, could not get past the first two clues.
I dont have much on the third sentence, except that Forrest seems to imply the use of more detailed maps.
Thanks for continuing to provide your excellent website and forum, Jenny.
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Post by astree on Jun 18, 2019 7:59:10 GMT -5
It would seem that from Forrest's comment, that one take from it is, that only the place WWWH and the Canyon are found on a map..... Suggesting that the Home of Brown is not on a map.....not even a good map.... Do you mean that one couldnt see it on a map? Because it would still be contained within the area covered by the map. Or are you thinking home of Brown may not be a physical geographic location? |
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Post by Bownarrow on Jun 18, 2019 12:29:38 GMT -5
May be "the first two clues" represents where the treasure is located somehow. You cannot get any closer than the actual spot.
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Post by zaphod73491 on Jun 18, 2019 12:32:31 GMT -5
I'm confident home of Brown can be found -- NAMED -- on a sufficiently detailed map. A map covering the entire U.S. Rocky Mountains will not show that level of detail.
But it's not even clear that Forrest is talking about ~solving~ clues. He says Li'l Indy cannot get CLOSER than the first two clues. Suppose he's talking about proximity to the treasure's location, and the third clue (possibly others) are actually further from the chest as the crow flies than the first two clues? Who knows ... of the first four or five clues, perhaps the first and second are physically closest to the chest and therefore Forrest isn't actually limiting how many clues miss Indy can solve.
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Post by astree on Jun 18, 2019 13:23:45 GMT -5
May be "the first two clues" represents where the treasure is located somehow. You cannot get any closer than the actual spot. I think so. Even the one who recovers the treasure cant get closer the the first two clues, then. |
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Post by ironwill on Jun 18, 2019 20:51:10 GMT -5
It would seem that from Forrest's comment, that one take from it is, that only the place WWWH and the Canyon are found on a map..... Suggesting that the Home of Brown is not on a map.....not even a good map.... I've always been curious if anyone ever looked at this in another way. The girl is IN INDIA. Meaning she physically is not going to get nearer or farther away from the treasure. Did any of you think that just maybe, the closer is a map reading point of view? Perhaps she cannot get closer, because she had to zoom all the way in on Google Maps to see one of the first two clues. Forrest supports that "thinking" with his next sentence... There are many disabled people who are deeply into maps and geography, and they are having a lot of fun."disabled people" hints at not moving or not mobile, therefore using maps from home (just like the India girl). "deeply into maps and geography" hints to zooming all the way in. So if you're zoomed in all the way on the map to see the first or second clue (or both), then it makes no difference if you are IN India, IN Texas, or IN Kalamazoo for that matter. You cannot zoom-in "any closer" than the first two clues. At least... not until you are no longer IN those locations. You have to keep in mind the context of the question Jenny asked, because that is the focus of Forrest's answer... Can a little girl in India, who speaks good English, but only has your poem and a map of the US Rocky Mountains, work out where the treasure is? Notice the question is not about any travelling at all. It's just about her being in India and working out the solution to where the treasure is. In the context of Jenny's question, the little girl DOES NOT TRAVEL  Therefore her only source for solving it... is Google Maps/Earth (a good map) Just a thought for those who like to expand their own ideas. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2019 20:53:18 GMT -5
I'm confident home of Brown can be found -- NAMED -- on a sufficiently detailed map. A map covering the entire U.S. Rocky Mountains will not show that level of detail. But it's not even clear that Forrest is talking about ~solving~ clues. He says Li'l Indy cannot get CLOSER than the first two clues. Suppose he's talking about proximity to the treasure's location, and the third clue (possibly others) are actually further from the chest as the crow flies than the first two clues? Who knows ... of the first four or five clues, perhaps the first and second are physically closest to the chest and therefore Forrest isn't actually limiting how many clues miss Indy can solve. This discussion definitely got my attention. Let's start with two assumptions: (1) we are required to follow the clues in order to complete the hunt (2) in some sense, the second clue is nevertheless the closest of the nine to the treasure. How could this be? It's hard to imagine a treasure map with sequential instructions that could work this way. I have argued in the past that a complete solve might bring one to some kind of token that provides access to the chest, but that the chest itself is probably somewhere else, presumably extremely secure: mysteriouswritings.proboards.com/thread/3155/xth-clue-wizard-ozI also argued that the second clue is Route 70 in Colorado: mysteriouswritings.proboards.com/thread/3128/second-clueRoute 70 runs east through Colorado and directly through downtown Denver. Presumably, the most secure place to store something of high value in Colorado would be in a bank vault. If you search for the biggest banks in Colorado, they are pretty much clustered in Denver, directly on, or just north of Route 70. If it turned out that the end of the puzzle was indeed at Hanging Lake, this would still be considerably further from Route 70 than several of the banks. Interestingly, this area where the banks are grouped is just west of the Denver Museum of Nature and Science.  In short, if you're willing to entertain the possibility that the chest is not located at the ninth clue, the initial conundrum might have a simple solution and explain how the treasure could be closer to the second clue than to any of the others. |
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Post by heidini on Jun 18, 2019 21:51:05 GMT -5
I know this is not a very popular idea, but I believe the reason the little girl from India cannot get closer than the first two clues is because in India the prominent religion is Hinduism. There’s lots of things I don’t know about the Hindu religion. And I would assume they don’t know a lot about the Judeo Christian religion either.
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Post by heidini on Jun 18, 2019 21:52:27 GMT -5
I know this is not a very popular idea, but I believe the reason the little girl from India cannot get closer than the first two clues is because in India the prominent religion is Hinduism. There’s lots of things I don’t know about the Hindu religion. And I would assume they don’t know a lot about the Judeo Christian religion either. Go ahead and give your opinion- everything is open for discussion. |
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Post by zaphod73491 on Jun 18, 2019 22:27:30 GMT -5
I know this is not a very popular idea, but I believe the reason the little girl from India cannot get closer than the first two clues is because in India the prominent religion is Hinduism. There’s lots of things I don’t know about the Hindu religion. And I would assume they don’t know a lot about the Judeo Christian religion either. Hi Heidini: if we didn't know more about Forrest, religious differences might be a good consideration. But my reading of the tea leaves (to borrow a relevant metaphor) is that his answer was religion-agnostic. After all, Jenny made no mention of Indy's religion, so she could be Christian, Jewish, Catholic, Druid, ... |
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Post by heidini on Jun 18, 2019 23:39:17 GMT -5
I know this is not a very popular idea, but I believe the reason the little girl from India cannot get closer than the first two clues is because in India the prominent religion is Hinduism. There’s lots of things I don’t know about the Hindu religion. And I would assume they don’t know a lot about the Judeo Christian religion either. Hi Heidini: if we didn't know more about Forrest, religious differences might be a good consideration. But my reading of the tea leaves (to borrow a relevant metaphor) is that his answer was religion-agnostic. After all, Jenny made no mention of Indy's religion, so she could be Christian, Jewish, Catholic, Druid, ... Statistics say different. From wiki: According to the 2011 census, 79.8% of the population of India practices Hinduism, 14.2% adheres to Islam, 2.3% adheres to Christianity, and 1.7% adheres to Sikhism. (Olga’s) Tea leaves for the gypsies? 😊 I think if you are familiar with something, you tend to see what you know. Perhaps in a way this is a different type of confirmation bias? Not of location but of ideas. |
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Post by heidini on Jun 18, 2019 23:41:12 GMT -5
Bias for me- actually ideas can be biased for everyone I guess, right?
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Post by Bownarrow on Jun 19, 2019 1:07:22 GMT -5
May be "the first two clues" represents where the treasure is located somehow. You cannot get any closer than the actual spot. I think so. Even the one who recovers the treasure cant get closer the the first two clues, then. "Others have figured the first two clues and went right past the treasure and didn’t know it.”
From the above quote, "the first two clues" seem to be intimately connected with the location of the treasure.
The idea that the box is not the same as the one shown in the photo might explain why people have gone right past the treasure and didn't know it.
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Therefore her only source for solving it... is Google Maps/Earth (a good map)
