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Post by heidini on Jul 1, 2019 19:54:00 GMT -5
In part, I see a connection to Salinger. So perhaps someone may have "caught" something and be "on the nose." I did not read the catcher in the rye. I can’t follow what you’re saying.
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Post by zaphod73491 on Jul 1, 2019 20:47:40 GMT -5
Hi Heidini: it's worth reading the first few chapters of Catcher just for the obvious connections to TTOTC. (Was never a fan of the book myself, but Forrest's deliberate tie-ins are pretty obvious).
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Post by heidini on Jul 2, 2019 6:35:02 GMT -5
Jenny wrote: And to what purpose would that serve? Kind of a quaint mystery ... did he or didn't he write it? But what difference does it make either way? How does solving this little mystery help find the chest? I see this as just another >>> distraction. Which is why I don't bother to read the scrapbooks or peruse TTOTC for "hints" or spend time on other non-poem resources (other than some interviews he gives). There is so much distraction in this treasure hunt, fostered largely by Fenn himself. Really? Not even TTOTC? Fenn recommended that.
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Post by kk on Jul 2, 2019 8:14:29 GMT -5
In part, I see a connection to Salinger. So perhaps someone may have "caught" something and be "on the nose." I did not read the catcher in the rye. I can’t follow what you’re saying. I did not read Catcher In the Rye, either. You don't have to read the book to find parallels that can help with those hints. I wondered why he choose to make it a FGM rather than a Scrapbook. I thought Salinger since the FGM is number 22. I associate the word "catch" with the number 22. So I wonder if perhaps someone has "caught" something, or if we are to catch something in that FGM. The "on the nose" comment is in reference to locolobo and zaphod's comment about translating Thunderose in google. It gives Trueno but leaves off the -ose. If you add it back, you get True nose. True meaning "exact" plus the word "nose" might be a reference to "on the nose".
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Post by zaphod73491 on Jul 2, 2019 13:22:19 GMT -5
Hi KK: afraid you're mixing authors here. Catch-22 was by Joseph Heller.
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Post by kk on Jul 2, 2019 14:22:06 GMT -5
Hi KK: afraid you're mixing authors here. Catch-22 was by Joseph Heller. Hi Zaphod, I am not mixing authors. I understand Catch-22 was by Joseph Heller. I believe that the emails Fenn puts out are from real people and that Fenn is clever enough to work with what he has been given in order to provide hints to us. It is interesting to me that he choose to make this a "Forrest Gets Mail" since number 22 was next in line. The last "email" he received and discussed publicly, he turned into a Scrapbook. I am associating the number 22 with the word "Catch" to get to something that Fenn might allude to that he has familiarized us with. "Catch"er In The Rye......It is interesting when used in conjunction with the translation of "Thunderose" to Trueno-se or True Nose which I mentioned earlier. As many know, Catcher in the Rye is a book about children growing up, time, and age. Which is in part, what that particular letter to Fenn discussed. A woman raising children, who managed to "catch" her kids from going over the edge (loss of innocence) despite her socio-economic position as a single Mom. "And so this is how you help me my kids all grew up they are all out on their own all 5 and they are all doing good with life. No drugs no serious drinking you know they’re just normal kids all five." Is it an actual connection, coincidence, or just a stretch of imagination? It's up to you all to decide. I don't think there are many "coincidences" in regards to anything Fenn puts out. I am just offering this as another possible perspective. Quick summary: The Catcher in the Rye takes the loss of innocence as its primary concern. Holden wants to be the “catcher in the rye”—someone who saves children from falling off a cliff, which can be understood as a metaphor for entering adulthood www.britannica.com/topic/The-Catcher-in-the-RyeFrom Chapter 22 of Catcher in the Rye: You know that song 'If a body catch a body comin' through the rye'? I'd like – " "It's 'If a body meet a body coming through the rye'!" old Phoebe said. "It's a poem. By Robert Burns." "I know it's a poem by Robert Burns." She was right, though. It is "If a body meet a body coming through the rye." I didn't know it then, though. "I thought it was 'If a body catch a body,'" I said. "Anyway, I keep picturing all these little kids playing some game in this big field of rye and all. Thousands of little kids, and nobody's around – nobody big, I mean – except me. And I'm standing on the edge of some crazy cliff. What I have to do, I have to catch everybody if they start to go over the cliff – I mean if they're running and they don't look where they're going I have to come out from somewhere and catch them. That's all I'd do all day. I'd just be the catcher in the rye and all. I know it's crazy, but that's the only thing I'd really like to be. I know it's crazy."
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Post by heidini on Jul 2, 2019 17:24:21 GMT -5
Hi KK: afraid you're mixing authors here. Catch-22 was by Joseph Heller. Hi Zaphod, I am not mixing authors. I understand Catch-22 was by Joseph Heller. I believe that the emails Fenn puts out are from real people and that Fenn is clever enough to work with what he has been given in order to provide hints to us. It is interesting to me that he choose to make this a "Forrest Gets Mail" since number 22 was next in line. The last "email" he received and discussed publicly, he turned into a Scrapbook. I am associating the number 22 with the word "Catch" to get to something that Fenn might allude to that he has familiarized us with. "Catch"er In The Rye......It is interesting when used in conjunction with the translation of "Thunderose" to Trueno-se or True Nose which I mentioned earlier. As many know, Catcher in the Rye is a book about children growing up, time, and age. Which is in part, what that particular letter to Fenn discussed. A woman raising children, who managed to "catch" her kids from going over the edge (loss of innocence) despite her socio-economic position as a single Mom. "And so this is how you help me my kids all grew up they are all out on their own all 5 and they are all doing good with life. No drugs no serious drinking you know they’re just normal kids all five." Is it an actual connection, coincidence, or just a stretch of imagination? It's up to you all to decide. I don't think there are many "coincidences" in regards to anything Fenn puts out. I am just offering this as another possible perspective. Quick summary: The Catcher in the Rye takes the loss of innocence as its primary concern. Holden wants to be the “catcher in the rye”—someone who saves children from falling off a cliff, which can be understood as a metaphor for entering adulthood www.britannica.com/topic/The-Catcher-in-the-RyeFrom Chapter 22 of Catcher in the Rye: You know that song 'If a body catch a body comin' through the rye'? I'd like – " "It's 'If a body meet a body coming through the rye'!" old Phoebe said. "It's a poem. By Robert Burns." "I know it's a poem by Robert Burns." She was right, though. It is "If a body meet a body coming through the rye." I didn't know it then, though. "I thought it was 'If a body catch a body,'" I said. "Anyway, I keep picturing all these little kids playing some game in this big field of rye and all. Thousands of little kids, and nobody's around – nobody big, I mean – except me. And I'm standing on the edge of some crazy cliff. What I have to do, I have to catch everybody if they start to go over the cliff – I mean if they're running and they don't look where they're going I have to come out from somewhere and catch them. That's all I'd do all day. I'd just be the catcher in the rye and all. I know it's crazy, but that's the only thing I'd really like to be. I know it's crazy." That is really insightful. Lots of stuff in what you said.
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Post by kk on Jul 2, 2019 17:38:56 GMT -5
Thanks Heidini, I know I don't always explain my train of thought well in writing, and I know we all process information so differently, that what makes sense to me I know isn't always going to be a connection for another person and vice versa. I'm still learning forum etiquette (it seems different everywhere it is offered in the chase). It's hard to know how much info to put out there too, so I seem to either come up too short or too long. Thanks for your patience!
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Post by heidini on Jul 2, 2019 18:08:28 GMT -5
You can say anything you would like on this forum as long as it is not mean to other people. And pretty much you should believe that there is a hidden chest. If you don’t believe Forrest hid a chest then I would say move along. LOL I think you did a great job at stating your ideas and you used quotes to support your ideas. People may or may not agree with it but you did a good job.
I am indifferent because I am not familiar with that particular subject matter.
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Post by zaphod73491 on Jul 2, 2019 20:28:36 GMT -5
KK: my apologies -- I actually didn't "catch" the connection between the two book titles! A little slow today...
Forrest entitled a chapter "Important Literature," and I think most would agree that the novels he went to the trouble of mentioning weren't randomly picked. The Hemingway "mistake" wasn't accidental--Forrest certainly knew the difference between For Whom the Bell Tolls and A Farewell to Arms, just as he would be well aware that Redford *had* written a book.
I admit to still being mystified why he harped on the (small) dimensions of the paperback books -- as if this is relevant to their quality. Forrest's book would be just as small if turned into a paperback, so it's not a germane comparison. So there had to be another reason for bringing up the 6" by 4" dimensions. A bit like Olga's 36" long bathtub.
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Post by zaphod73491 on Jul 2, 2019 20:32:31 GMT -5
KK: one more thing: wouldn't it be True-Noose? (Thunder)(ose) --> (Trueno)(ose)? Brings to mind the sheriff using a new rope to hang the outlaw out of respect. ;-)
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Post by kk on Jul 2, 2019 20:46:59 GMT -5
KK: my apologies -- I actually didn't "catch" the connection between the two book titles! A little slow today... Forrest entitled a chapter "Important Literature," and I think most would agree that the novels he went to the trouble of mentioning weren't randomly picked. The Hemingway "mistake" wasn't accidental--Forrest certainly knew the difference between For Whom the Bell Tolls and A Farewell to Arms, just as he would be well aware that Redford *had* written a book. I admit to still being mystified why he harped on the (small) dimensions of the paperback books -- as if this is relevant to their quality. Forrest's book would be just as small if turned into a paperback, so it's not a germane comparison. So there had to be another reason for bringing up the 6" by 4" dimensions. A bit like Olga's 36" long bathtub. Hi Zaphod, No worries, I think we all have our moments. I have to read most every comment several times to follow what people are getting at, and most of the time I don't follow at all! Since we are talking about books, I see 6 x 4 as a specific dimension. Kind of like a Book of days?
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Post by kk on Jul 2, 2019 21:00:54 GMT -5
KK: one more thing: wouldn't it be True-Noose? (Thunder)(ose) --> (Trueno)(ose)? Brings to mind the sheriff using a new rope to hang the outlaw out of respect. ;-) Sorry, I just saw this. Yes, good catch! That could be the correct way to look at it. I guess I see (Thunder)(ose) --> (Trueno)(ose)with phonetic -ose to get True-Nose rather than TrueNo -ose. I could be mixing and matching methods too much here. But a noose is a method of "catching" something....and it is also a knot, which is a connection. So a true/exact connection would be similar to something that is "on the nose" in an exacting sense. Funny how that works two ways!
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Post by zaphod73491 on Jul 2, 2019 21:10:24 GMT -5
KK: 6x4. 24. Maybe a book of hours? ;-)
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Post by heidini on Jul 3, 2019 1:46:18 GMT -5
Confirmation bias isn’t always bad. Maybe clues/ hints can reinforce an idea. And if they can’t be disputed, then they could be right.
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