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Post by ironwill on Jul 25, 2019 22:47:40 GMT -5
Ok thanks. I think it's just a weird coincidence. They can be hard to walk away from! you're talking to the guy who was so set that the chest was 20 feet up in a pine tree lol...I understand.
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Post by chad1968 on Jul 28, 2019 9:40:27 GMT -5
I will give you something to ponder. Boiling water exposed to outside temperature will cool to warm water, then eventually cold.
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Post by Bownarrow on Aug 3, 2019 11:14:49 GMT -5
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Post by npsbuilder on Aug 8, 2019 14:14:54 GMT -5
I will give you something to ponder. Boiling water exposed to outside temperature will cool to warm water, then eventually cold. This is something I have been thinking about. WWWH - is that halt on the hot or cold side? Is the water now to be considered HOT or COLD for understanding the clue correctly
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Post by van on Aug 10, 2019 11:11:41 GMT -5
Could be the water (stahls) stalls = Stahl Peak Mt
Is it possible that the poem should be repeated, so there are multiple WWWH within the solve. or maybe having to reverse track through the poem so at the end there is another WWWH.
I believe that letters a-l-o-n-e, will appear in the final area where the chest if found.
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Post by chad1968 on Aug 12, 2019 17:41:27 GMT -5
I suppose I should say why in my solve why WWWH is not in the middle or nowhere. When you determine wwwh is, you then next take it in the canyon down, not far but to far to walk. So right there many would assume canyon down has a road running parallel to the canyon, so there is no way WWWH is remote, as warm waters halt where they empty into the river canyon with the road.
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Post by Jenny on Aug 12, 2019 18:01:41 GMT -5
I suppose I should say why in my solve why WWWH is not in the middle or nowhere. When you determine wwwh is, you then next take it in the canyon down, not far but to far to walk. So right there many would assume canyon down has a road running parallel to the canyon, so there is no way WWWH is remote, as warm waters halt where they empty into the river canyon with the road. I'm going to create another Thread for the line: Too Far to Walk..... and possible meanings.... (here that is: mysteriouswritings.proboards.com/thread/3465/forrest-fenn-treasure-far-walk )
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Post by omni on Aug 16, 2019 23:30:14 GMT -5
This is just kind of an outside idea, but sometimes when I look at this quote I wonder where he really meant by starting point. Was it WWWH, or could it be the HOB area? I often see the clues as having 2 phases, the on foot phase beginning at HOB. I'm not all that sure that one actually needs to go to the place WWWH when following the clues.
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Post by chad1968 on Aug 17, 2019 12:52:22 GMT -5
This is just kind of an outside idea, but sometimes when I look at this quote I wonder where he really meant by starting point. Was it WWWH, or could it be the HOB area? I often see the clues as having 2 phases, the on foot phase beginning at HOB. I'm not all that sure that one actually needs to go to the place WWWH when following the clues. In my solve you drive to and park basically next to HOB.
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Post by Jenny on Aug 19, 2019 7:20:37 GMT -5
This is just kind of an outside idea, but sometimes when I look at this quote I wonder where he really meant by starting point. Was it WWWH, or could it be the HOB area? I often see the clues as having 2 phases, the on foot phase beginning at HOB. I'm not all that sure that one actually needs to go to the place WWWH when following the clues. That is a great point..... I think one must 'know' WWWH to discover the correct meaning for HOB, but the question is when do we 'start walking' or 'where did Forrest park his car and then take two trips from it'?
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Post by voxpops on Aug 19, 2019 10:36:03 GMT -5
Here's something to chew on. Imagine for a moment that you've just had that leaky radiator fixed on your Chevy Tahoe. You're about to set off on your search but you've no idea where warm waters halt - you're just going to wing it. You fire up the engine and hop out to check that there are no tell-tale puddles on the asphalt. Nothing. Great! And the engine is sounding sweet - barely even getting warm, as the cooling system is at peak performance. As you're driving the idea comes to you to head to Dubois, WY. At your motel, checking on Google, you see a fabulous blaze just north of town (believe it or not, there is one!). The next morning, you wend your way up the slopes of Table Mountain, park a few feet from the blaze, look quickly down and find Fenn's box of tricks just awaiting your arrival. Eureka! Those warm waters in your recently repaired radiator had brought you to the promised land. OK, pure fantasy, but... is the idea that WWWH is "portable" completely ridiculous? Where did the search end? It ended where warm waters halted. There was no way of being certain that you had the right WWWH until you found the treasure. Back in the real world, this scenario leaves you with a conundrum (or 9). What possible use is a "portable" WWWH, and how could it possibly lead you to the gold? What about your starting point? How do you get from "here" to "there?" That's for those who want to ponder such a scenario and have been puzzled by the double Omega and the T.S. Eliot quote: “We shall not cease from exploration And the end of all our exploring Will be to arrive where we started And know the place for the first time. Through the unknown, remembered gate When the last of earth left to discover Is that which was the beginning; At the source of the longest river The voice of the hidden waterfall And the children in the apple-tree Not known, because not looked for But heard, half-heard, in the stillness Between two waves of the sea.” [End note: if anyone thinks I'm actually advocating a vehicle being WWWH, then please read the above again - perhaps a few times! )
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Post by omni on Aug 19, 2019 12:16:13 GMT -5
This is just kind of an outside idea, but sometimes when I look at this quote I wonder where he really meant by starting point. Was it WWWH, or could it be the HOB area? I often see the clues as having 2 phases, the on foot phase beginning at HOB. I'm not all that sure that one actually needs to go to the place WWWH when following the clues. That is a great point..... I think one must 'know' WWWH to discover the correct meaning for HOB, but the question is when do we 'start walking' or 'where did Forrest park his car and then take two trips from it'? Most people say it's the line "put in". Which makes some logical sense, especially as a metaphor. But I don't think one can ignore the actual meaning of the words put in either. IMO it's not just there to tell you to get out of your car.
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Post by ironwill on Aug 19, 2019 14:29:41 GMT -5
Here's something to chew on. Imagine for a moment that you've just had that leaky radiator fixed on your Chevy Tahoe. You're about to set off on your search but you've no idea where warm waters halt - you're just going to wing it. You fire up the engine and hop out to check that there are no tell-tale puddles on the asphalt. Nothing. Great! And the engine is sounding sweet - barely even getting warm, as the cooling system is at peak performance. As you're driving the idea comes to you to head to Dubois, WY. At your motel, checking on Google, you see a fabulous blaze just north of town (believe it or not, there is one!). The next morning, you wend your way up the slopes of Table Mountain, park a few feet from the blaze, look quickly down and find Fenn's box of tricks just awaiting your arrival. Eureka! Those warm waters in your recently repaired radiator had brought you to the promised land. OK, pure fantasy, but... is the idea that WWWH is "portable" completely ridiculous? Where did the search end? It ended where warm waters halted. There was no way of being certain that you had the right WWWH until you found the treasure. Back in the real world, this scenario leaves you with a conundrum (or 9). What possible use is a "portable" WWWH, and how could it possibly lead you to the gold? What about your starting point? How do you get from "here" to "there?" That's for those who want to ponder such a scenario and have been puzzled by the double Omega and the T.S. Eliot quote: “We shall not cease from exploration And the end of all our exploring Will be to arrive where we started And know the place for the first time. Through the unknown, remembered gate When the last of earth left to discover Is that which was the beginning; At the source of the longest river The voice of the hidden waterfall And the children in the apple-tree Not known, because not looked for But heard, half-heard, in the stillness Between two waves of the sea.” [End note: if anyone thinks I'm actually advocating a vehicle being WWWH, then please read the above again - perhaps a few times! ) No but I was actually at one time thinking a Chevy Blazer parked at the property was the "Blaze" after his museum parking lot clue lol
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Post by firesnake on Aug 20, 2019 9:22:34 GMT -5
For my interpretation, Forrest has included a couple of ways to discover what WWWH is. I've actually just this moment discovered that one technically involves water but it's not in the search states. The other meaning of WWWH gives a 'big picture' interpretation, yet is still 100% valid and is what led me to the area in the first place.
So that's a poem match (actual water), at least one confirmer using TToTC or a scrapbook (how you get there)... plus confirmer three - and it's a big one - if you can factor in a colour (and it's not Brown).
I could be very wrong of course, but once you see it it's hard to shake the connections.
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Post by goldilocks on Sept 1, 2019 8:50:14 GMT -5
The following Question was posted on MW on 7/1/2014: Mr. Fenn: In the past when you have said that several people had figured out the first two clues and then went right past the other clues, would you say that they got lucky and just happened to go to the correct starting area, not fully understanding the poem, or would you say that they did indeed solve the first two clues by understanding the poem and clues? C
Searchers have routinely revealed where they think the treasure was hidden and walked me through the process that took them on that course. That’s how I know a few have identified the first two clues. Although others were at the starting point I think their arrival was an aberration and they were oblivious to its connection with the poem. Playing a hunch is not worth much in the search and those who start out by looking for the blaze, are wasting their time.fWhat I find curious is the part: 'Although others were at the starting point I think their arrival was an aberration and they were oblivious to its connection with the poem'..... What does that part sound like to you? Do you feel WWWHH is in some very remote location? ..."they were oblivious to its connection with the poem". He didn't say its connection to me, but its connection with the poem, as if the answer can be "seen" in the poem. I do not think WWWH is remote. I think it and the treasure is in or very near a public place and that is why he laughed on his way back to his car.
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