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Post by efanton on Oct 3, 2019 16:45:50 GMT -5
0123456789 Thats a ten digit number. No, it's not. I've also already explained that to you. It is a string of 10 digits or a NINE digit number. We know that 2 is the same number as 02 is the same as 00002 is the same as 000000000000000000002... Leading zeros are not counted as part of the number. I had assumed that that was why you put "appears" in your question, so we would know it was ten digits AND that it didn't start with zero. I am not going to argue. Believe what you wish to believe, I will do likewise. when you reduce yourself to using partial quotes that are very selective, you have already lost the argument.
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Post by keladry12 on Oct 3, 2019 17:48:44 GMT -5
Alright, I'll post the exact same thing but use the whole quote, it changes literally nothing. 0123456789 Thats a ten digit number. Now if it was a phone number, or an ISBN number or something similar, using a zero at the front would be perfectly valid. If it was a straight forward number then I would agree it would simple be written as 123456789 and therefore could not be a solution. The question is what is the relevance of the number in the first place? I dont think its possible to dismiss a leading zero, Lukas has not stated anything that allows us to assume a leading zero cannot be used if it is necessary. No, ten digit numbers are actually strictly defined to not start with zero. 0123456789 is a nine digit number, not a ten digit number. I don't know, man. Are you relying on translating services and something is getting lost? A lot of the arguments you start here don't make sense; non-native speaker is the only explanation I have at this point.
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Post by TheCoyWonder on Oct 3, 2019 18:08:16 GMT -5
We don't all have to agree. It's cool to have opposing theories. Someone will win a $1000 and someone will be wrong. However, we should all conduct ourselves with kindness and strengthen the community as a whole.
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Post by efanton on Oct 3, 2019 18:44:54 GMT -5
I will try just once more.
Simple questions.
Look up the ZIP CODE for STAMFORD, CONNECTICUT Look up the dial code for OXFORD, ENGLAND
Now answer those questions without using a leading zero. YOU CANT. the zero is RELEVANT because the numbers are in a specific FORMAT.
I am talking about RELEVANCE not SIGNIFICANCE. A leading zero can never be used, UNLESS the number MUST ADHERE to a fixed format. We all know the rules regarding significant numbers.
Has Lukas said that the number is not a telephone number, a zipcode, or any other number that has a fixed format? The answer is NO. In which case a leading zero is possible if the specific format of the number dictates it.
The original question I asked of you is do you know the SIGNIFICANCE of the number for the first key? If the number has no significance (it doesnt represent something or must adhere to a specific format) then yes you are absolutely right, there can be no leading zero. However if it turns out to be a telephone number, a zipcode, or some other number that requires a specific format then a leading zero is perfectly possible, and not only possible but necessary.
I dont know what the answer is to the first key I doubt you do either, but depending on the relevance of the number it is possible that there might be one or more leading zero's but only if they are RELEVANT not significant. Has Lukas eliminated telephone numbers, zipcodes or other formatted numbers? I did not hear him say that
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Post by Jenny on Oct 3, 2019 18:47:00 GMT -5
We don't all have to agree. It's cool to have opposing theories. Someone will win a $1000 and someone will be wrong. However, we should all conduct ourselves with kindness and strengthen the community as a whole. Thank you, Coy. Yes, I would like to step in and again remind everyone to be more respectful with each other when discussing ideas. There isn't any need to try and force ideas on each other. As Coy, stated, it's ok to disagree. Thanks so much everyone! (and I apologize for at first singling out.... it really goes as a reminder to all)
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Post by shortstory on Oct 3, 2019 18:59:15 GMT -5
So, I'm new to the board, but spent most of the day reading the forums. Given that we know it's a 10 digit number (however you choose to interpret that), this is what I feel like the best theories are for the 4 parts:
First part: - probably related to Dearborn Michigan - "call" suggests area code - area code for Dearborn is 313
Second part - probably related to either bowling or disc golf - if bowling, "bird that’s rarely thrown" is probably a turkey (another note: 2 turkeys is a "wild turkey" and 3 turkeys is a "golden turkey") - if disc golf, could be eagle or albatross - score for a golden turkey alone (without the addition of the next two rounds) would be 240 (30*7 + 20 + 10) - the "beside a bird that’s rarely thrown" could refer to countries bordering or near turkey. Maybe the country codes for them?
Third part - Most theories seem to revolve around "C4 F5 C6 E6". The only one that is really in question, to me, is C6 as the solution to "no sea legs here". But it's better than any other theories I have so I'll keep it here. - These could refer to music notes or hex numbers or maybe we're supposed to take it at face value, and the number here is 4566?
What are everyone's thoughts now that we know we're looking for numbers?
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Post by shortstory on Oct 3, 2019 19:19:46 GMT -5
I'll add - I've tried 3132404566 and it's not correct, so I'm obviously missing something. Having a lot of fun speculating with you all!
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Post by goldenchild on Oct 3, 2019 21:59:13 GMT -5
I'll add - I've tried 3132404566 and it's not correct, so I'm obviously missing something. Having a lot of fun speculating with you all! Do you think he would use his own area code for the solve to the first part? I don’t know about you, but Dearborn certainly doesn’t fit ME like a glove. The way he phrased it “will call a place that fits YOU like a glove” makes me think it would be more of a solve that would hold the same meaning for any searcher looking. Something more generic like womb, or home (which I personally don’t think a home “fits” like a glove) but something along those lines. Your comment about a golden turkey sounds intriguing however. The “EN” in the middle is next to a bird that’s rarely thrown and next to gold (a treasure on its own..if you stretch the definition of astride that is). EN could convert to 514 (alphabet sub) or 36 (dialpad). I keep find myself staring at my phone pads number/letter combos looking for anything that I can think of that could be a treasure on its own. Besides the many potential words you can make which is too broad to narrow down, the number 8 is the only thing that stands out. A piece of 8 is the most iconic treasure coin out there. 7 and 9 or 5 and 0 are both “astride” 8. I have never felt comfortable with C6 myself either. All the others are clean answers....this one needs stretching to make fit. Which makes me feel it’s wrong. Unfortunately I don’t have any ideas for alternatives. Thank you for posting your sane, logical ideas! It’s always nice to have more contributors.
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Post by TheCoyWonder on Oct 3, 2019 22:46:56 GMT -5
One thing I found interesting, whether it associates or not, is that for Mini Hunt #1, the keyword for the cipher was WINDSOR. Windsor is a city very nearby DEARBORN. It made me wonder if he was pulling keys or clues from that area. Maybe nothing. Maybe something. Time will tell.
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Post by goavibe on Oct 4, 2019 0:10:06 GMT -5
If you asked someone,”It appears there is a woman standing next to you”, and they responded,”yes”, you would assume it was a woman and you would assume the person answering was being straight forward. But, if that person knew it wasn’t a woman, but rather it was his buddy dressed in drag for a Halloween party, then his answer of “yes” would still be true because of the phrasing of the question by using the word,”appears”. However, if you asked,”Is that a woman standing next to you?”, then they would have to answer,”no”, or they would be lying. See the difference?
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Post by shortstory on Oct 4, 2019 7:29:26 GMT -5
I don’t know about you, but Dearborn certainly doesn’t fit ME like a glove. I agree with you there, but I think the fact that Michigan looks like a mitten fits well with the "glove" line. But you're right, it does seem a little obvious for him to use his own area code. Your comment about a golden turkey sounds intriguing however. The “EN” in the middle is next to a bird that’s rarely thrown and next to gold (a treasure on its own..if you stretch the definition of astride that is). EN could convert to 514 (alphabet sub) or 36 (dialpad). I keep find myself staring at my phone pads number/letter combos looking for anything that I can think of that could be a treasure on its own. Besides the many potential words you can make which is too broad to narrow down, the number 8 is the only thing that stands out. A piece of 8 is the most iconic treasure coin out there. 7 and 9 or 5 and 0 are both “astride” 8. That's really interesting! I was watching the solution video for the mini hunt, and that being a word puzzle/cipher definitely made me want to think about this one more in terms of words/letters. I've also been wondering if "astride" refers to a split in bowling? Like, maybe the solution is the score of a round of bowing with a golden turkey ("a bird that's rarely thrown"), a spare ("spare no expense"), and a 7-10 split ("astride a treasure on it's own"). But I still can't work out where "search everywhere" would fit in, which really bothers me.
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Post by captnkush on Oct 7, 2019 4:54:52 GMT -5
Thinking about the next possible question and im curious what others think. Personally i would like to confirm or deny 2 things. 1.is c4,f5,c6,e6 a partial or complete solve for stanza 5. 2. Does stanza 4 have anything to do with bowling or is a Turkey the rarely thrown bird we are looking for. Obviously the way the questions are worded is very important and im NOT suggesting this is proper way to ask but as these two theories seem to be the most commonly accepted ideas i would like see them confirmed or denied. I personally think going after stanza 5 first would be best just due to the fact it should be 4 numbers and each preceding stanza should only be 3 numbers each. On the other hand stanza 5 already feels like a better solve then anything we have for stanza 4. Anyway im curious on other people thoughts . Whatcha got?
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Post by jewelie on Oct 7, 2019 8:21:53 GMT -5
Why do stanza 3 and 4 need to be 3 numbers each? I was thinking 2 and 4 numbers, respectively.
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Post by goldenchild on Oct 7, 2019 8:43:16 GMT -5
Why do stanza 3 and 4 need to be 3 numbers each? I was thinking 2 and 4 numbers, respectively. i don’t think anyone knows absolutely how many numbers those two stanzas hold yet. Could be 4,2....3,3....2,4 is possible.
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Post by captnkush on Oct 7, 2019 13:58:17 GMT -5
Why do stanza 3 and 4 need to be 3 numbers each? I was thinking 2 and 4 numbers, respectively. i dont believe it absolutely has to be 3,3,4 just think its most logical that its a standard north American phone number format and if you were to have 4,2 or 2,4 one correct stanza would possibly leave you with only 2 numbers left and that it would be remarkably easy to try all variables and disregard the corresponding stanza all together.especially when you take into consideration 1 and zero are never used as a first number in a area code or prefix and 9 second number in area code is also unlikely as typically its reseverd for future planning (in north America numbering system) like i said SHOULD be 3,3,4 not that it has to be but to me its most logical.
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