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Post by efanton on Aug 5, 2019 7:31:11 GMT -5
This follows from the google place-marker idea I had. Thinking the 'X' (from elsethecat's interpretation of 'The next plus two') could be a google map place-marker I went searching. It took a fairly long time but eventually I found just a location fairly near TURKEY I have posted this already but will post again so that this thread has clarity. Google Maps X marks the spotI had dismissed this as I thought at the time it only gave two pieces of information Faraklo and Drimilia and I could not find any domains with those in its name. I could at the time see no point to the information at this site. Boy was I wrong. The pictures at that location were not images, they were videos direct links here 1st video 2nd video
I suggest you watch and listen closely (VERY CLOSELY) to 2nd video first. Watching the video you can clearly see that someone has either painted a big black X on the rock in the background or modified the video. Why would anyone go to the effort of painting an X on a rock in a location that hardly anyone knows about? Don't you find that to be suspicious or unusual? But back to the real reason for this post. Listen to the 2nd video again. You will hear the lady singing ' 6564' some mumbling and then ' PHONE' I have listened to that 2nd video so many time now my head hurts. I simply cant make out what the mumbling is. It sounds as if she is singing letters of the alphabet to me but I just cant make them out clearly. I also cant make head nor tails of the first video Now we know that Lucas has said no phone call was required but he failed to dismiss a phone number (or part of) being part of the solution. My hearing is not great, but I am hoping and would appreciate that those of you here with good hearing will try make out the mumbling parts and post here what you find.
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Post by mrpoirot on Aug 5, 2019 11:43:30 GMT -5
Cool! You might have found something for another treasure hunt... I really doubt it is something Lukas has created for this hunt but it sure is interesting.
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Post by efanton on Aug 5, 2019 12:06:26 GMT -5
Cool! You might have found something for another treasure hunt... I really doubt it is something Lukas has created for this hunt but it sure is interesting. It does fit the puzzle. The next plus two (X from XXX) is found astride a treasure ON ITS OWN (there's nothing else near it) spare no expense (spare no effort?), SEARCH EVERYWHERE (well you you will not find that without a lot of time and effort, especially as you have to zoom in to see the place marker) Besides a bird that's rarely thrown (most of us agree that means TURKEY, and how close do you want to get to Turkey, The Agean Sea can be no closer) What it means though is a mystery at the moment. If the mumbling can be deciphered then it probably will become clear.
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Post by fishmini on Aug 5, 2019 12:25:37 GMT -5
Can't get the video links to work on mobile.
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Post by efanton on Aug 5, 2019 12:31:55 GMT -5
Can't get the video links to work on mobile. try browsing the link for google map and then clicking the two pictures
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Post by inatimate1 on Aug 5, 2019 12:55:20 GMT -5
I have to side with efanton on this one, he's found the videos from his own path of discovery into this puzzle, so if they are indeed relevant to a puzzle then it has to be this one.
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Post by susb8383 on Aug 5, 2019 15:57:12 GMT -5
Sorry, I don't hear 6564 Phone. I hear this woman singing something in another language that may sound a little like those words.
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Post by efanton on Sept 17, 2019 11:28:16 GMT -5
Sorry lads been in the UK visiting my sister for a week so have been very quiet. I did get to login twice but only had time to read a few new posts and watch the new hint video Here's exactly what Lukas said: "Let me be clear about one thing: the following hint is not a solution to part of the existing riddle. It's an addendum to provide additional information about the exact location of the treasure. The location of many buried treasures is marked by an X This treasure is no different X marks the spot." I have been mulling this over in the back of my mind now for a few days, and now I am fairly convinced this location really is part of the hunt X marks the spot (google maps link) I think Lukas is being very emphatic about where to start looking, this to me has been the clearest hint he has ever given. Naxos What does Naxos have to do with treasure? Well Naxos has strong ties to Neopolis and the spartan wars. So what? We know Lukas has an interest in gaming. Can anyone think of a game set in the spartan period that has reached almost cult status and has spawned multiple Hollywood hits? How about Assassins Creed. If you think thats a bit of a jump think on this the location marked on the google map is very similar to the message board location in the Assassins Creed game mapgenie.io/assassins-creed-odyssey/maps/greece?locationIds=10428 I dont know how to access that board other than in game and I haven't played Assassins Creed, but I would dearly love to get access to it and look through the posts. A message board would be a perfect place to hide a link or further instructions from Lukas Most people would look at it and not realise the significance. I am hoping some other forum members have played the game and might shed some extra light on this possibility. The only thing that I dont like (to my knowledge) is that the game is not an online game and therefore I think it would be a little bit underhand for Lukas to use it, but I have drawn conclusions before and ignored them to my own detriment (Windsor ) Naxos is also the island where Zeus was raised and where the Greek myths initially started, there's a wealth of possibilities to consider here regarding treasure or quests considering a lot of the myths were exactly that, stories about treasure or objects of immense value and the hunts or quests to find them Finally There are the photos and video's google maps that clearly show the Big X marked on the rocks. There can be no clearer confirmation of what Lukas has stated When I initially posted about this location I was a little disappointed with the feedback, but I can understand why many people might have thought it was a long shot or probably not relevant. With the new hint from Lukas I definitely feel this is worth further investigation. Those numbers, Farklo or Drimalia displayed in the location information might now have additional meaning. Despite additional efforts to decipher exactly what was said or sung in the videos I still have failed. X marks the spot we are looking for. I dont believe that spot or web address will be the endpoint of this quest, just a way-point that leads to something else. Remember Lukas said With a web address now out of the question but the treasure still to be found on the internet we have to start considering message boards, youtube, reddit and all the other sites that allow public submissions including game forums and discussion boards that Lukas could possibly use.
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Post by fishmini on Sept 17, 2019 13:24:00 GMT -5
Welcome back! Thanks for the new info to think about! Just to be clear though, Lukas said the first key does not result in a website but the "treasure" may still be on a website alluded to from other parts of the riddle.
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Post by efanton on Sept 17, 2019 14:50:55 GMT -5
Welcome back! Thanks for the new info to think about! Just to be clear though, Lukas said the first key does not result in a website but the "treasure" may still be on a website alluded to from other parts of the riddle. I am quite aware of that. the first key is a combination of Stanza 3 + Stanza 4 + Stanza 5 We now know stanza 3 + 4 +5 does not give us a URL, so it would be logical to assume that URL will be obtained elsewhere in the verses, possibly stanza's 7 or 8, well at least that is my hunch for now. The point is now we know that we are not looking for a URL the answers to stanza's 3 4 and 5 dont have to conform to a web address, they could be 3 words or numbers that combined give a key, or interpreted to give one single word. For instance if stanza 3 gave 'greatest', stanza 4 gave 'boxer' and stanza 5 gave 'ever', it might be logical to assume the first key becomes Mohamed Ali, an no I am not suggesting that as a solution for the first key its just an example. The approach I am taking now is to try associate words or ideas to stanza's 3, 4 and 5 and see how they can combine to create the first key. Previouly we were looking to creating a URL so we were interpreting stanza's 3, 4 and 5 in a totally different way. Thats why I think the google map link has become even more relevant. So far, and I say this without hubris, that map link is the only suggestion so far that totally fits stanza 4 There have been some suggestions as to what stanza 4 means or results in such as golf, but golf balls are not thrown. To me every suggestion for this stanza has been a partial solution. They fit a specific part of the stanza but not all of it. What I do not know is what the map link is telling us or its relevance and I openly admit to that. Lukas said What is the 'additional information' that lukas is talking about? He clearly states that his hint does not give us a solution to any stanza or key. I suspect there is something in that link or in the videos that doesn't give us a solution but can be used to either point to a solution or source of information that does give us a solution to Stanza 4. To me the additional information is something in the location description (Drimalia 843 02, Greece Δρυμαλία 843 02 5GVV+JJ Faraklo, Drimalia, Greece) or something in the videos So why is he being very specific about something or a location specifically being marked with an 'X'. To me thats the biggest clue he has given, and given his final comments in the video about not giving out further clues it strikes me that what he has given away in this 'final' clue is truly significant and no further clues should be required. Sometimes people can be so blunt you actually miss the importance of what they are saying
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Post by mrpoirot on Sept 17, 2019 15:33:04 GMT -5
I am also glad that you are back Efanton! Keep your ideas coming!
I think you are on the right track with regards to re-interpreting how these three pieces form the first key. I like your analogy with Ali.
That being said, I am quite convinced that the X you found on the map is not part of this hunt at all. I was before the mini-hunt was solved (as you pointed out some where) and even more so now. The reason is that I think we can expect the solution to conform to some kind of unwritten standard. Assume there is such a thing as an absurdity meter of solutions to hunts like these. The X on map with the corresponding videos in a foreign language is just too high on that scale. Nothing in the mini-hunt tells me that we are looking for weird solutions. In other words, for this hunt, and any hunt that Lukas creates in the future, I think it is safe to assume the solution is going to score very low on an absurdity scale.
However, I don't want you to stop posting ideas like this. Quite the opposite. I find it very interesting to follow how others think. In fact, I think this forum is what keeps this hunt alive. So keep it coming! Besides, my ideas from a while back were not well received either and I accept that.
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Post by efanton on Sept 17, 2019 16:38:16 GMT -5
I am also glad that you are back Efanton! Keep your ideas coming! I think you are on the right track with regards to re-interpreting how these three pieces form the first key. I like your analogy with Ali. That being said, I am quite convinced that the X you found on the map is not part of this hunt at all. I was before the mini-hunt was solved (as you pointed out some where) and even more so now. The reason is that I think we can expect the solution to conform to some kind of unwritten standard. Assume there is such a thing as an absurdity meter of solutions to hunts like these. The X on map with the corresponding videos in a foreign language is just too high on that scale. Nothing in the mini-hunt tells me that we are looking for weird solutions. In other words, for this hunt, and any hunt that Lukas creates in the future, I think it is safe to assume the solution is going to score very low on an absurdity scale.
However, I don't want you to stop posting ideas like this. Quite the opposite. I find it very interesting to follow how others think. In fact, I think this forum is what keeps this hunt alive. So keep it coming! Besides, my ideas from a while back were not well received either and I accept that. Who said that Lukas must use only links or information he has created? I dont see the rule that says he must nor any logic in your argument. In fact I see a serious flaw in your argument and would argue the opposite for very good reasons I agree Lukas didnt create that link, and did not post the information in the link nor create the video. But if Lucas wanted us to look at the island of Naxos or something within that locations description, surely he would look at what was already on the internet and use information already online, especially because it would be impossible for us to immediately associate it with Lukas Stanley or Digit Buried Treasure. Additionally why would he create online content when there is already online content that conforms to an idea he has (X marks the spot) that he can already use. I would imagine creating this hunt took considerable time, and creating content just for his hunt would an unnecessary waste of his time, and add additional risk of an easy solve that was unintended. I'm pretty certain one of the first things you did, well I certainly did, was google Lukas Staley and look for anything associated with him (on a side note I have toyed with the idea that NAOS could be a possible solution naXos, NA and OS being astride the X, and NAOS meaning temple in Greek, but so far not having any luck with that at the moment) If you were creating a treasure hunt and wanted to to use a location on a map the very last thing you would do is post a comment or create a google marker with mrpoirot clearly visible for all to see ? seriously, would you? would that not be the very definition of absurd? The absurdity meter would hit 100% the minute we could see mrpoirot or anything that could in some way be associated with you. Your argument fails completely and actually backfires. It would be even more suspicious if the time stamp coincided with a date similar or just previous to the launch of the hunt.
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Post by mrpoirot on Sept 17, 2019 17:31:07 GMT -5
Where did I say that only Lukas own links could be used? I think you misunderstood my comment. Please be kind. I like that you share your ideas here. I just don't think that X has anything to do with this hunt. It would be too weird. No need to agree with me. Besides, it most likely benefits me indirectly if others (all on here?) also think that this X is it...
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Post by efanton on Sept 17, 2019 18:34:59 GMT -5
Where did I say that only Lukas own links could be used? Please point me to that point. I think you misunderstood my comment. Please be gentle. I like that you share your ideas here. I just don't think that X has anything to do with this hunt. It would be too weird. My 2 cents. No need to agree with me. I assumed you argued that because the tag was created before the hunt you are arguing it can not be relevant. You then go on to suggest its absurd How exactly is it absurd? Where is your reasoning for such a claim. Absurd is hardly a word you would use if you were being 'gentle' If thats not what you mean then please explain what you mean by the above quote, I have no idea at all what you mean if I have not interpreted you correctly, but I fail to see how you could mean anything else. I see nothing weird at all in the location posted being significant to the hunt. I dont particularly like where it leads us myself, I have already stated that I havent found the relevance, but that does not mean it definitely isn't relevant. I agree that the foreign language video probably is not relevant, but the location information could well be. I have already stated that. As explained if Lukas wanted to use a location as a clue or part of a solution, what better way than to use an existing map marker, especially as it ties in perfectly with his insistence that 'X marks the spot' . Would he care if there was a foreign language video attached if his intention was to draw us to a particular location such as the island of Naxos? I dont know whether it was deliberate or not but he quoted my initial post perfectly, but if he did what else would you need to see that this location is relevant, and a not so subtle hint that my initial post was on the right track. I have yet to see any other suggestion that comes close to meeting ALL the lines in stanza 4. Does that mean I am absolutely right and everyone else must be wrong? no, absolutely not. There could well be better solutions not yet put forward, but until then like it or loathe it this is all we have. I have no problem at all in adopting and support someone elses idea if they can explain their logic and it is a better fit. I do have a problem though when you dismiss an idea without putting forward an equally viable alternative, or without arguing logically why you are dismissing an idea. Just because you dislike an idea is not reason to dismiss it without giving your reasoning and certainly not a reason to suggest it is absurd. Why even use the word absurd? I am open to being persuaded that I am wrong, that exactly why I post my ideas. If you can explain in a logical way, why it is wrong, or suggest a viable alternatives I am all ears and honestly open to them. I really fail to see how you could argue that that location doesn't conform to stanza 4 A TURKEY in bowling can be written XXX "The next plus two is found" X plus two -XXX "Spare no expense, search everywhere" thats exactly what I did, I search the map everywhere "Beside a bird that’s rarely thrown" Beside TURKEY. Lukas has emphatically stated 'X marks the spot' Naxos is the island. 'Astride a treasure' NA and OS are astride X. NAOS is temple in Greek. Temple containing treasure, or temple treasure not such a wild idea, google it you will only get 83,900,000 hits .
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Post by mrpoirot on Sept 17, 2019 19:11:44 GMT -5
I fully agree. I owe a better explanation on why this solution felt wrong to me. Here are my motivations.
1. One of the reasons Lukas created this hunt is that other hunts were rooted in the real world and so he set out to create a virtual hunt. While doing so, and if he wanted to tie it into google maps somehow, why would he pick a not well known island close to Turkey that not many (here in the US at least) have ever heard of? He could pick something more well known.
2. The mini-hunt solution. All the facts in that hunt are based on things that are known to most in US/Europe I would assume. Nothing odd at all. Windsor castle, Shakespeare? You get my point?
3. The videos with the foreign language (greek most likely) indicated (to me) that had something to do with the X. I highly doubt that we are supposed to understand what were said on those videos. He said once that the hunt is based on general knowledge and being able to find information. Understanding greek is a bit different if you ask me.
That said, you did a great job putting together this stanza. My solution, at the time, and still, is more towards an eagle when it comes to the bird part (in relation to frisbee golf). Also, as I mentioned in my long forgotten post, there is this $1000 dollar bill from 1918 that is still legal tender and a rarity (but was featured on TV not that long ago) which is the only bill in the US (or one of the few) that actually feature the dollar sign. None of the current one does (!). And if you flip that bill over you see a beautiful eagle with $1000 on each side... Spare no expense (grand), search everywhere ($ is wildcard sometimes) and so on...
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