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Post by susb8383 on Aug 5, 2019 16:03:16 GMT -5
(Just adding) The Riddle: (to assist with the string of letters in the Video) We hath a way to go From gate to steed Twice round and through A stately deed Putting this here but Jenny, feel free to move this to its own forum if you think it's appropriate. The letters seem to me like they are the actual letters and we just have to put them into the right order, just because I don't see anything weird like Z, J, etc. Thoughts?
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Post by mrpoirot on Aug 5, 2019 18:46:55 GMT -5
Yes, I completely agree. If we compute the Index of Coincidence on the message we get a high value of 0.07451: www.dcode.fr/index-coincidenceand that is similar to plain text in English (0.0667). Thus, we most likely are dealing with a transposition cipher. www.dcode.fr/index-coincidence#q3MESSAGE TEXT ========= TLGNDATDRLEWHAREA LASSOMEAWODELYNRE EMNNLEMHATLSPYEAL
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Post by efanton on Aug 6, 2019 17:30:41 GMT -5
I'm not putting much effort into this one but something that instantly occurred to me reading the riddle being a motorcycling enthusiast From gate to steed Twice round and through This sounds very much like a 'Le Mans style start'. Still used in some motorcycle races but banned now in cars because of the requirements for all drivers to be strapped in with safety harnesses. Essentially this means the motorcycle or cars being parked on the grid and the riders or drivers standing at the pit wall. When the race commences the riders or drivers run to their cars or motorcycles (from gate to steed), start them, and then begin to race. www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-news/motor-shows-events/other-events/2010/a-brief-history-of-the-le-mans-style-start/Also some races have a start/finish line on a separate leg of the circuit. They would only use this leg to start or finish a race the rest would be on a circular track (this could be the 'And Through' they race for two laps of the circuit and finish on the start/finish leg) The trick here would be to identify the course and race that is only two laps with a separate start finish leg if indeed it refers to a 'Le Mans start'. I suppose it could also refer to a horse or cycling event where riders start dismounted. of course the other interpretation is that you solve the letter puzzle by going round the outside and finishing on the second line of letters.
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Post by shrek on Aug 7, 2019 2:43:44 GMT -5
'From gate to steed', could be a Rail Fence cipher, Gate would need a Fence and an Iron Horse runs on rail, possibility.
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Post by inatimate1 on Aug 7, 2019 6:04:07 GMT -5
Could there be a marathon (or other foot race) somewhere that starts at a gate, heads towards a statue/monument of a horse, does two circuits, and then finishes with a run through another gate. For example, the Berlin Marathon near to the Brandenburg Gate goes around the city (but just the once), and ends a few yards after going through the Gate itself... www.youtube.com/watch?v=kr-ACku1b9gThere might be a marathon somewhere that has this sort of start and finish, but there's that many of them it's difficult to browse through them all!
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Post by susb8383 on Aug 9, 2019 17:53:24 GMT -5
And this one is supposed to be easy??
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Post by efanton on Aug 9, 2019 19:24:32 GMT -5
And this one is supposed to be easy?? lol Have tried every cipher I can think of and absolute nothing. Have now resorted to anagrams, But the options are endless if you use all three lines, in fact so big excel cant load the list (1 mil+ solutions using a 10,000 word dictionary) Now going on the assumption each line is a separate anagram puzzle but the problem there is that each line might not be a complete sentence on it own ( for example the first line might be 'behind a great big wall' Second line might be 'you will find a tree' etc) Without knowing the context of both lines before you know the answer you still end up with a multitude of possibilities My anagram program has the ability to use custom dictionaries, (I have created various dictionaries - 1000 most common word, 3000 most common words, 5000 most common words and I am still working on building the 10,000 word dictionary, all based on statistically analysis of words used in English language.), so I am now using the smaller dictionaries first to see if I get an easy hit, but I seriously doubt it. I also have the ability to 'seed' an anagram (it will only give anagrams that include a specified word) but of course you have to have some hint as to what the puzzle is about and then guess suitable words. I think the best way to get a grip on this puzzle is to work on the last line That line is likely to give us a sense of what the puzzle is about if someone can find a suitable solution, I have pondered it for a good while, being that I'm at a dead end on the Buried Treasure hunt, and I have found no suitable reference online for it. To me it hints at a royal act of some kind but again without a context for the puzzle in general there's endless possibilities. I'm hoping that there's a famous poem, drama, or song that uses STATELY DEED (in a significant way), or even a building or monument with those words inscribed on it. So far no luck
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Post by efanton on Aug 9, 2019 20:32:28 GMT -5
The only literary reference I have found regarding 'A stately deed' is the Story of 'Layla and Majnun' the 12th-century tale of an Arabian princess whose father marries her off, leaving her true love in despair that turns to madness written by the Persian poet Niẓāmi Ganjavipoet. Never heard of it? I bet you have, ever listen to the song Layla by Eric Clapton? well the song was partly based on that story. Thinking I might be on to something, could it be that the twice round and through could be referring to the structure of the Eric Clapton's song. So I dragged out my tabs for that song to see how many verses there were (was it two or three?) I couldn't quite remember, but was disappointed to see there are three verses and choruses before the long instrumental finish. Damn you Eric Clapton, why couldn't it be two verses and choruses before the long instrumental finish? Text to the poem can be found here cetinbayramoglupoetry.wordpress.com/2012/01/21/fuzuli-layla-and-majnun-29/It might still be relevant, but having read it a few times I cant see how at the moment.
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Post by mrpoirot on Aug 10, 2019 13:23:34 GMT -5
And this one is supposed to be easy?? That is funny! If I had to guess, it is quite common to make these things too hard in the beginning. To find the right level, for the audience in mind, is not that easy.
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Post by mrpoirot on Aug 10, 2019 17:52:09 GMT -5
The first line in the riddle seems odd to me. Especially the use of the word 'hath' for have. Why?? From what I can tell, hath is most often used in third person but we have it together with 'We'... Well, what if this is a tricky one.... hath a way - > Hathaway? It turns out that Shakespeare's wife was called Anne Hathaway and in his sonnet number 145 he also 'hides' the name in plain sight in a sentence... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne_Hathaway_(wife_of_Shakespeare)#Shakespeare's_sonnets
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Post by efanton on Aug 10, 2019 18:22:32 GMT -5
The first line in the riddle seems odd to me. Especially the use of the word 'hath' for have. Why?? From what I can tell, hath is most often used in third person but we have it together with 'We'... Well, what if this is a tricky one.... hath a way - > Hathaway? It turns out that Shakespeare's wife was called Anne Hathaway and in his sonnet number 145 he also 'hides' the name in plain sight in a sentence... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne_Hathaway_(wife_of_Shakespeare)#Shakespeare's_sonnets you might be on to something. The full works of Shakespeare are online and searchable here. www.opensourceshakespeare.org/There's an advanced search function that lets you search for phrases or in a particular work of Shakespeare which I have found useful in the past No reference for 'STATELY DEED' TWICE THROUGH' or GATE TO STEED' though, so that's is disappointing, although that would have probably been too easy. But Shakespeare's plays and sonnets are full of matters relating to royalty and the state so it's definitely worth further research
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Post by susb8383 on Aug 10, 2019 20:32:28 GMT -5
'A stately deed' is from one of Shakespeare's sonnets.
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Post by inatimate1 on Aug 11, 2019 2:11:31 GMT -5
I also noticed the hath a way link and found it to be a pretty odd coincidence.
The obvious link to Shakespeare is Francis Bacon and all of the conspiracy theories about his works being written by Bacon and thus containing Baconian ciphers, however, I can't see any way to apply Baconian Cipher to the text we have, seeing as it works on a base of 5 and there are 51 characters in the text.
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Post by inatimate1 on Aug 11, 2019 2:14:10 GMT -5
Then there's also the other "Anne Hathaway" but sadly I can't find any sort of link between her and cryptography either.
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Post by efanton on Aug 11, 2019 13:34:19 GMT -5
'A stately deed' is from one of Shakespeare's sonnets. Which one.? I have searched for it and cant find it
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