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Post by woollybugger on Sept 2, 2019 18:15:06 GMT -5
For as many times as I've read the book, I'm shocked I haven't come across this previously -
"Well, the first night we couldn't get the dumb fire started, and we had already used most of our matches, so we very wisely wadded the map and hoped that we would be forgiven that one small foible. It worked and as the fire crackled and our horses wandered off, we ate our three candy bars and talked long into the night."
They were "wise" and literally started a blaze. I can't decide if this suggests that the map is imperative or useless to finding the blaze, but leaning the former. Clearly he's talking tongue-in-cheek about wadding the map and burning it, but the blaze couldnt' be created without the map. To me (I think) this supports the notion that the blaze is created via the map, what do others think?
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Post by goldilocks on Sept 2, 2019 18:30:26 GMT -5
There was a similar scene in The Codex by Douglas Preston. They were lost in the swamp and saved their map because they decided they may need it to start a fire someday.
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Post by Jenny on Sept 2, 2019 20:55:21 GMT -5
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Post by woollybugger on Sept 2, 2019 21:20:27 GMT -5
Thanks Jenny!
In classic fashion I think that can be taken a number of ways. Trying to hash out if using your map consists of the intersection theory, or if he's saying burn it, you won't need it at that stage.
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Post by jdiggins on Sept 2, 2019 21:37:07 GMT -5
Yes. I 100% completely agree the blaze is a map. Everything fits. Now, how to read it. Marry the poem to it...
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Post by johnwayne11 on Sept 3, 2019 0:06:12 GMT -5
Thanks Jenny! In classic fashion I think that can be taken a number of ways. Trying to hash out if using your map consists of the intersection theory, or if he's saying burn it, you won't need it at that stage. If he's saying to burn it, then I would say it's time to adlib - or in other words - just wing it. |
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Post by davebakedpotato on Sept 3, 2019 1:21:35 GMT -5
Thanks Jenny! In classic fashion I think that can be taken a number of ways. Trying to hash out if using your map consists of the intersection theory, or if he's saying burn it, you won't need it at that stage. A15 seems to indicate a breadcrumb trail, but that is based on the assumption 9 clues = 9 locations. Even with 9 clues = 9 locations, that could still be an intersection type puzzle. Perhaps the three candy bars offer us further guidance on this point? Any ideas? |
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Post by goldilocks on Sept 3, 2019 7:13:37 GMT -5
Forrest said, "...look at the poem as if it's a map, because it is,...". So we need to bring the poem with us. He has also told us to memorize the poem many, many times, perhaps in case we forget to bring it? There must be a reason we need to bring the poem/map other than the obvious reasons.
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Post by kk on Sept 3, 2019 9:01:05 GMT -5
Thanks Jenny! In classic fashion I think that can be taken a number of ways. Trying to hash out if using your map consists of the intersection theory, or if he's saying burn it, you won't need it at that stage. A15 seems to indicate a breadcrumb trail, but that is based on the assumption 9 clues = 9 locations. Even with 9 clues = 9 locations, that could still be an intersection type puzzle. Perhaps the three candy bars offer us further guidance on this point? Any ideas? You can find them via "But tarry scant with marvel gaze" |
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Post by davebakedpotato on Sept 3, 2019 11:52:08 GMT -5
A15 seems to indicate a breadcrumb trail, but that is based on the assumption 9 clues = 9 locations. Even with 9 clues = 9 locations, that could still be an intersection type puzzle. Perhaps the three candy bars offer us further guidance on this point? Any ideas? You can find them via "But tarry scant with marvel gaze" Sorry, I don't understand. |
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Post by kk on Sept 3, 2019 12:55:32 GMT -5
Ok. Here is something to chew on.
"But tarry scant with marvel gaze" =
But = however
tarry = to delay, retard, linger
scant = "short, brief, perhaps ultimately hornless, from PIE *kem-(1) "hornless" see hind
Hind = female deer, young deer or gazelle
with = denotes association, combination, or union
marvel = "a miracle; a thing, act, or event which causes astonishment," also "wonderful story or legend,"
gaze = to look at intently, heed
Clearly this line is something FF wants us to pay close attention to and can be broken down as follows:
Look intently at a story/legend of a young deer/dear
What immediately comes to my mind when I think of a story of a young dear? Bambi
Bambi = derives from bambina or bambino which means baby, which in turn comes from the word "babe."
A second "babe" FF has alluded to is the legend "Babe Ruth"
The third is more difficult.
Amelia Earhart. She was known as "The babe of the sky"
We know in Chapter 44 in TFTW, the title FF chose is "the world lost its darling"
Daring = double diminutive of deor "dear"
Amelia Ear(Hart) = Middle English hert, from Old English heorot "hart, stag, male of the red deer
A final note: babe = sometimes a child's variant of papa "father."
So I *think* if you are in the correct location for this clue, this would be the location that is "dear" to FF, and somehow correlates to his father. However, at this point, I'm not sure I would agree that it is the location of the TC.
Why 3 babes? No idea. Any thoughts?
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Post by davebakedpotato on Sept 3, 2019 13:36:31 GMT -5
Ok. Here is something to chew on. "But tarry scant with marvel gaze" = But = however tarry = to delay, retard, linger scant = "short, brief, perhaps ultimately hornless, from PIE *kem-(1) "hornless" see hind Hind = female deer, young deer or gazelle with = denotes association, combination, or union marvel = "a miracle; a thing, act, or event which causes astonishment," also "wonderful story or legend," gaze = to look at intently, heed Clearly this line is something FF wants us to pay close attention to and can be broken down as follows: Look intently at a story/legend of a young deer/dear What immediately comes to my mind when I think of a story of a young dear? Bambi Bambi = derives from bambina or bambino which means baby, which in turn comes from the word "babe." A second "babe" FF has alluded to is the legend "Babe Ruth" The third is more difficult. Amelia Earhart. She was known as "The babe of the sky" We know in Chapter 44 in TFTW, the title FF chose is "the world lost its darling" Daring = double diminutive of deor "dear" Amelia Ear(Hart) = Middle English hert, from Old English heorot "hart, stag, male of the red deer A final note: babe = sometimes a child's variant of papa "father." So I *think* if you are in the correct location for this clue, this would be the location that is "dear" to FF, and somehow correlates to his father. However, at this point, I'm not sure I would agree that it is the location of the TC. Why 3 babes? No idea. Any thoughts? Great work! 3 x babes deserves some thought. Maybe the babe of a babe of a babe - a great grandchild? Noah had three sons. The trinity? A triangle, trilogy (tri-log-y, three logs?), triplets. Interesting... |
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Post by goldilocks on Sept 3, 2019 14:06:12 GMT -5
Sorry to mention The Codex again but there is a main character named Borabay in the book. He was the illegitimate son of the Fenn character. Borabay anagrams to baby Ora and I always wondered if (I certainly don't want to offend anyone) there could be another babe in Mr. Fenn's life that has yet to be talked about? A third child?
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Post by kk on Sept 3, 2019 14:21:34 GMT -5
Interesting connection
Ora = Ora Mae, the janitor in TTOTC
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Post by davebakedpotato on Sept 3, 2019 15:09:02 GMT -5
3 x baby/babes
= 3 little pigs?
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