Stanza 5

[Bownarrow]

I haven't a clue what this stanza is about. Having said that, I have come up with numerous different possible meanings for it, but all are nothing but guesses, and all leave me very unsatisfied.

The best idea that I have had with how to connect it to the rest of the poem is to understand the word 'so' in the first line as 'si' which in turn may be understood as 'is'. This line then reads 'is why it is that I must go'. This seems to imply that the previous line 'just take the chest and go in peace' is the first half of a sentence of which "so why is it that I must go..." is the second half. That though is about as far as I  got by following that train of thought. I am nowhere close to understanding how " Just take the chest and go in peace' might logically link to 'is why it is that I must go and leave my chest....' .

Has anyone extracted anything that remotely amounts to sense out of this stanza?

[davebakedpotato]

I have very little, but some of the wording reminds me of crossword clues:

'Why is it' = y is it (is the famous 'it' in the poem just the letter y? Makes no sense to me)

'I must go' = take the letter 'I' out of somewhere (in the poem?)

Note that 'answer' and 'answers' have both appeared in print, it appears that the pluralisation isn't important.

[kk]

Who is asking the question is sometimes just as important as the answer.

[zaphod73491]

So WY is it that I must go: good for people searching Wyoming or near West Yellowstone.

[Bownarrow]

Sept 5, 2019 15:56:23 GMT -5 kk said:

Who is asking the question is sometimes just as important as the answer.

Hi kk,

I agree with you. But the question of who the "I" is, is as ambiguous as most of ff's other statements. If it was possible to reliably identify who the the "I' is, that would solve the biggest problem involved with understanding the stanza as far as I am concerned.

[kk]

Sept 6, 2019 1:43:05 GMT -5 Bownarrow said:

Sept 5, 2019 15:56:23 GMT -5 kk said:

Who is asking the question is sometimes just as important as the answer.

Hi kk,

I agree with you. But the question of who the "I" is, is as ambiguous as most of ff's other statements. If it was possible to reliably identify who the the "I' is, that would solve the biggest problem involved with understanding the stanza as far as I am concerned.

Who wrote the poem? Really think about that (don't make it more difficult than it is). Now really think about the question: "So why is it that I must go"                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          You might have to write it down, or say it out loud slowly. 

 

[Bownarrow]

Sept 5, 2019 12:57:51 GMT -5 davebakedpotato said:

I have very little, but some of the wording reminds me of crossword clues:

'Why is it' = y is it (is the famous 'it' in the poem just the letter y? Makes no sense to me)

'I must go' = take the letter 'I' out of somewhere (in the poem?)

Note that 'answer' and 'answers' have both appeared in print, it appears that the pluralisation isn't important.

 'Why' can be read as 'wye' which is an anagram of 'yew(you)'.

If the 'why' then is read as 'you' and the "i must go' is read as an instruction to leave out the letter 'I' from the line, the line can be read as:

So it is you that must go

This version at least identifies who the 'I' is that is to 'go'. It is us the searcher. When the second line is taken into account however this reading of the first line and identification of who the "I' refers to becomes nonsensical -

So it is you that must go and leave my trove for all to seek

i.e.We are back to the problem of the being told in one line to just take the chest and then two lines later being told we must leave it for all to seek.

The alternative idea that the 'I' refers to ff makes sense, but the word 'must' is then problematic. It seems to imply that f had no choice but to do what he did, and yet it appears from what he has said that the decision to hide the treasure was an entirely voluntary one on his behalf. I cannot think of any plausible scenario that could account for him having to hide the treasure out of necessity.

This, in a nut shell, is the dilemma posed by this stanza. I continue to look for ways to interpret the stanza that avoids having to confront this dilemma but nothing so far makes much sense.

Up until this point the poem has a flow to it. This stanza seems to interrupt that flow. To maintain the flow I feel that the stanza must have some kind of connection to what has preceeded it, but again other than reading "so" as "is" I cannot think of how that may be achieved.   

 

 

 

[Bownarrow]

Sept 6, 2019 8:42:07 GMT -5 Bownarrow said:

Sept 5, 2019 12:57:51 GMT -5 davebakedpotato said:

I have very little, but some of the wording reminds me of crossword clues:

'Why is it' = y is it (is the famous 'it' in the poem just the letter y? Makes no sense to me)

'I must go' = take the letter 'I' out of somewhere (in the poem?)

Note that 'answer' and 'answers' have both appeared in print, it appears that the pluralisation isn't important.

 'Why' can be read as 'wye' which is an anagram of 'yew(you)'.

If the 'why' then is read as 'you' and the "i must go' is read as an instruction to leave out the letter 'I' from the line, the line can be read as:

So it is you that must go

This version at least identifies who the 'I' is that is to 'go'. It is us the searcher. When the second line is taken into account however this reading of the first line and identification of who the "I' refers to becomes nonsensical -

So it is you that must go and leave my trove for all to seek

i.e.We are back to the problem of the being told in one line to just take the chest and then two lines later being told we must leave it for all to seek.

The alternative idea that the 'I' refers to ff makes sense, but the word 'must' is then problematic. It seems to imply that f had no choice but to do what he did, and yet it appears from what he has said that the decision to hide the treasure was an entirely voluntary one on his behalf. I cannot think of any plausible scenario that could account for him having to hide the treasure out of necessity.

This, in a nut shell, is the dilemma posed by this stanza. I continue to look for ways to interpret the stanza that avoids having to confront this dilemma but nothing so far makes much sense.

Up until this point the poem has a flow to it. This stanza seems to interrupt that flow. To maintain the flow I feel that the stanza must have some kind of connection to what has preceeded it, but again other than reading "so" as "is" I cannot think of how that may be achieved.   

 

"Must go" may also be interpreted as referring to ff's death. The 'must' then might be referring to having to make a last will and testament. It was this stanza that got me thinking about a last will and testament. But leaving a will and leaving a treasure chest for all to seek are two different things. One may be considered a necessity , the other not. This makes this line of thinking problematic as well.

[Bownarrow]

There was another book published about the same time that The Thrill of the Chase was published that was a story about a man who buried a treasure chest with his will inside and the treasure hunt to find the chest. The book also contained the phrase 'The Thrill of the Chase' and a character named Brown. The will gave the finder of the chest title to the man's fortune.

I have wondered whether the way in which the 'title to the gold' is to be conveyed to the finder of the treasure is likewise via a copy of ff's will that may be inside the chest.

A bronze chest like ff's is at the DIA. This chest may be considered the 'DIA Chest'. Chest= theke(Gr.), so this chest = 'Diatheke'

Diatheke = last will and testament (Gr.)

In the will = in the diatheke = theke in the DIA = chest in the DIA = FF's bronze chest

The above line of thought could support the idea that FF's bronze chest is in his will and/or that his will is in the bronze chest.

[Bownarrow]

www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipvIGaVt7C8

3:06

Shakespeare said it, you know, you have your entrances. You have your exits. You play your part, and you go.."

www.rsc.org.uk/as-you-like-it/about-the-play/famous-quotes

All the world's a stage,
And all the men and women merely players;
They have their exits and their entrances,
And one man in his time plays many parts,
His acts being seven ages.

In this quote of ff's "you go" seems to refer to dying.

The idea that 'go' in this quote of ff's refers to dying, suggests that the 'go' in the line 'So why is it that I must go' should also be understood in the sense of 'dying'.

The fact that ff's reference to 'go' in the video was used in the context of a reference to (William) Shakespeare, might support the idea that Stanza 5 refers to ff's last will and testament.

William = mia will = my will

[apfeltourer]

We think that the 9 clues are all hidden in the stanzas 2 to 4. So - we think that stanza no. 5 just contains some hints like:
i've done it tired -> i've worn (rubber) waders...

see our solution on get-it-now.ch - have fun and best greetings from switzerland, Apfeltourer

PS: we would be glad if someone could finish our BOTG...

[Bownarrow]

As much as I like the 'die' interpretation of 'go' in SWIITIMG it does not seem to fit with the 'go' in the previous line 'go in peace'.

That these two consecutive lines both contain the word "go" suggests a link between them. In ' go in peace' it is the searcher who appears to the one to 'go', while if the 'die' interpretation of 'go' in SWIITIMG is correct, it appears that it is ff who is the one to 'go'. This change in the frame of reference between the two lines, does not sit well with me, and is the reason that I do not feel think that I have understood this stanza correctly.

My gut feeling is that the seemingly simple 'go in peace'  in the previous stanza is the key to understanding stanza 5.

Anyone any thoughts on 'go in peace'? 

[woollybugger]

Because the mountains are calling

[heidini]

Sept 9, 2019 23:06:04 GMT -5 sangre said:

Sept 9, 2019 12:50:23 GMT -5 Bownarrow said:

As much as I like the 'die' interpretation of 'go' in SWIITIMG it does not seem to fit with the 'go' in the previous line 'go in peace'.

That these two consecutive lines both contain the word "go" suggests a link between them. In ' go in peace' it is the searcher who appears to the one to 'go', while if the 'die' interpretation of 'go' in SWIITIMG is correct, it appears that it is ff who is the one to 'go'. This change in the frame of reference between the two lines, does not sit well with me, and is the reason that I do not feel think that I have understood this stanza correctly.

My gut feeling is that the seemingly simple 'go in peace'  in the previous stanza is the key to understanding stanza 5.

Anyone any thoughts on 'go in peace'? 

My thought is that the lines are symbolic of peace, just as the spot is. The poem is straight forward. You go in peace, he leaves the chest in peace. From TTOTC, Turtle dove and Olives both signs of peace. Peace of the Pi. Fenns classmate waving the jar of olives in his face had the initials JC

Jumpin' Jehosaphat!

[richard]

Sept 9, 2019 23:06:04 GMT -5 sangre said:

Sept 9, 2019 12:50:23 GMT -5 Bownarrow said:

As much as I like the 'die' interpretation of 'go' in SWIITIMG it does not seem to fit with the 'go' in the previous line 'go in peace'.

That these two consecutive lines both contain the word "go" suggests a link between them. In ' go in peace' it is the searcher who appears to the one to 'go', while if the 'die' interpretation of 'go' in SWIITIMG is correct, it appears that it is ff who is the one to 'go'. This change in the frame of reference between the two lines, does not sit well with me, and is the reason that I do not feel think that I have understood this stanza correctly.

My gut feeling is that the seemingly simple 'go in peace'  in the previous stanza is the key to understanding stanza 5.

Anyone any thoughts on 'go in peace'? 

My thought is that the lines are symbolic of peace, just as the spot is. The poem is straight forward. You go in peace, he leaves the chest in peace. From TTOTC, Turtle dove and Olives both signs of peace. Peace of the Pi. Fenns classmate waving the jar of olives in his face had the initials JC

If I hadn't read some where, and that may be incorrect, that Forrest said the poem had no religious meaning to it. That those are the words used by a Catholic Reverend at the end of a Mass. If so then I believe he is using them to connotate that the clues have ended here.