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Post by Jenny on Sept 11, 2019 7:02:43 GMT -5
When considering the 9 clues in the poem, and marrying them to a map, do you think Heavy Loads and Water High describes or refers to the same feature/thing/location?
Here is the poem for reference: (although I know most have it fully etched in their minds)
As I have gone alone in there And with my treasures bold, I can keep my secret where, And hint of riches new and old.
Begin it where warm waters halt And take it in the canyon down, Not far, but too far to walk. Put in below the home of Brown.
From there it’s no place for the meek, The end is ever drawing nigh; There’ll be no paddle up your creek, Just heavy loads and water high.
If you’ve been wise and found the blaze, Look quickly down, your quest to cease, But tarry scant with marvel gaze, Just take the chest and go in peace.
So why is it that I must go And leave my trove for all to seek? The answers I already know, I’ve done it tired, and now I’m weak.
So hear me all and listen good, Your effort will be worth the cold. If you are brave and in the wood I give you title to the gold.
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Post by Jenny on Sept 11, 2019 8:10:42 GMT -5
Is the line- 'just heavy loads and water high' considered one clue in Forrest's mind?
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Post by crm114 on Sept 11, 2019 14:31:57 GMT -5
I think they are. I'm actually thinking the 9 sentences / 9 clues interpretation may be correct.
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Post by zaphod73491 on Sept 11, 2019 14:46:49 GMT -5
I think they are. I'm actually thinking the 9 sentences / 9 clues interpretation may be correct. 9 sentence = 9 clues cannot be correct unless you allow wraparound from the 6th stanza back to the 1st stanza. That, or you don't believe the clues in the order you encounter them in the field have to be the same as the order you read them in the poem.
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Post by crm114 on Sept 11, 2019 15:37:16 GMT -5
I think they are. I'm actually thinking the 9 sentences / 9 clues interpretation may be correct. 9 sentence = 9 clues cannot be correct unless you allow wraparound from the 6th stanza back to the 1st stanza. That, or you don't believe the clues in the order you encounter them in the field have to be the same as the order you read them in the poem. I haven't looked at all the "consecutive" quotes, but it's not clear to me that they imply one should interpret them as meaning consecutive in the poem vs consecutive on the ground. What if they are simply consecutive on the ground and some wraparound in the poem is possible? I still believe they are in order, but with wraparound. TS Elliot may apply. He is clearly speaking of the spot in stanza / sentence 1. Why is it impossible this is Clue 9?
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Post by npsbuilder on Sept 11, 2019 16:14:49 GMT -5
I think that this line is referring to a sluice. For me, sluice works for the entire poem one way or another and probably is the word that is key.
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Post by richard on Sept 11, 2019 19:36:52 GMT -5
Is the line- 'just heavy loads and water high' considered one clue in Forrest's mind? I believe Forrest is describing what can be found in the location of NPUYC to locate if you are in the correct location.
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Post by Jenny on Sept 12, 2019 6:47:20 GMT -5
Is the line- 'just heavy loads and water high' considered one clue in Forrest's mind? I believe Forrest is describing what can be found in the location of NPUYC to locate if you are in the correct location. I think so too...... it helps a searcher locate/confirm you are in the correct spot.... So what are 'heavy loads' and 'water high'? It's often thought to be a 'waterfall'... and could be.... but there have been many other interpretations brought forth as well.... it seems to depend on the path you are following at the time as to what you 'think them out to be'. Which with imagination, and the desire to 'make something work' for 'your spot', the options are numerous. It makes you question how imaginative Forrest was in describing the location.....
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Post by richard on Sept 12, 2019 7:46:42 GMT -5
I think it could be a water fall, but it could also be a dam or lake upstream, it could be a bridge crossing a stream with a power station near by, it could even be an old steam train pulling cars behind it. Like you said it could be many things. That is one of the clues that is easy to over think.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2019 7:50:05 GMT -5
I think it could be a water fall, but it could also be a dam or lake upstream, it could be a bridge crossing a stream with a power station near by, it could even be an old steam train pulling cars behind it. Like you said it could be many things. That is one of the clues that is easy to over think. Actually Mr. Fenn said it's nothing man made.
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Post by richard on Sept 12, 2019 9:30:38 GMT -5
rm, He was talking about where the TC is not about HLAWH when he made that comment.
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Post by Jenny on Sept 12, 2019 10:26:20 GMT -5
In Cynthia Meachum's book, on page 23, she shares a story about Forrest and that comment about 'The hidden treasure is not associated with any structure'.
She relates how she was talking to Forrest about her solution for 'home of Brown' was a CCC Cabin, and in her words in the book, "he immediately said, "don't you remember, I said it can't be associated with any structure."
This suggests, as she concluded, None of the clues are to be associated with a structure......not just the location of the treasure chest.
Which does go along with Forrest saying they are geographic.... and all clues would last 'hundreds of years'....structures might not...
but is it none?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2019 10:44:12 GMT -5
IMO, Heavy loads is the winters snow that melts which creates the water that is high up. This is also the same creek you are to hike up. Heavy loads is also the chest he carried up the creek. Heavy loads is also the burden he carries and why the place is dear to him.
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Post by richard on Sept 12, 2019 10:49:53 GMT -5
In Cynthia Meachum's book, on page 23, she shares a story about Forrest and that comment about 'The hidden treasure is not associated with any structure'. She relates how she was talking to Forrest about her solution for 'home of Brown' was a CCC Cabin, and in her words in the book, "he immediately said, "don't you remember, I said it can't be associated with any structure." This suggests, as she concluded, None of the clues are to be associated with a structure......not just the location of the treasure chest. Which does go along with Forrest saying they are geographic.... and all clues would last 'hundreds of years'....structures might not... but is it none? Sorry I missed that quote. That's good because none of my point's are associated with Structures. As I said easy to over think.
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Post by crm114 on Sept 12, 2019 13:23:36 GMT -5
In Cynthia Meachum's book, on page 23, she shares a story about Forrest and that comment about 'The hidden treasure is not associated with any structure'. She relates how she was talking to Forrest about her solution for 'home of Brown' was a CCC Cabin, and in her words in the book, "he immediately said, "don't you remember, I said it can't be associated with any structure." This suggests, as she concluded, None of the clues are to be associated with a structure......not just the location of the treasure chest. Which does go along with Forrest saying they are geographic.... and all clues would last 'hundreds of years'....structures might not... but is it none? So, what is "it" in the second reported quote? Forrest doesn't help individual searchers, yet suddenly he rules out structures for all 9 clues where the 9 clues are "it" for Cynthia? Also, he is reminding that he said this before when the only known structure quote from before is about the chest not being associated with a structure. This is akin to the "did you dip your toe in it"comments to searchers on their wwwh. I'm guessing he's pulling their legs, like the more obvious ___ miles west of Toledo "hints." He clearly ruled out structures for the treasure so people would stop digging up outhouses or whatever else they may have been doing. He has zero incentive to rule out structures as clues.
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