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Post by Jenny on Nov 21, 2019 13:41:00 GMT -5
I've been wondering how much Imagination we might need to use to solve Forrest Fenn's poem? And what is too much? or too little?
And is imagination the right word? Maybe it is more like 'creative thinking'?
Either one..... when working on the poem.... you have to ask yourself...for example, what is warm waters? what is a home? what is high waters? how far is too far? etc. etc.
How creative or imaginative do we go in trying to interpret these terms correctly?
Seems to me some searchers are ok with stretching some of these terms into obscurity, while others take them at only face value and can't tolerate any creativeness......
But from the many scrapbooks, and seeing the different ways Forrest thinks and uses words, can we get a sense for what is too much or too little?
What do you think?
what might be some examples of the 'correct balance'? What are some thoughts Forrest has shared that you feel offer a fun balance?
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Post by tom on Nov 21, 2019 14:32:43 GMT -5
I think imagination is important, but not as important as how to read the poem. I think the last clue being at the Denver Museum was Forrest’s way of explaining how to read the poem. But I don’t have the chest so..
I have to use imagination for the third clue, but not the first or second. I can’t get past the 4th clue. I have 3 HoB in the same area and I don’t know where he means to park my truck and get out.
I think the poem is progressively harder, based on what is obvious to me are the first two clues’ instructions. I can’t unravel how the first clue is describing something easy to understand (it isn’t where a hot spring dumps into a cold river for me) but “their arrival there was an aberration...”. So I think the important thing is how to read it, and then use his book to help with your imaginative capacities. My wife has the book ordered.
I will also add something kinda relative to tommy’s post. There is something glaring out there and the reason I hit the road the first time, and I’ve never seen it mentioned before on the blogs and believe me I’ve looked.
If you zoom in to Smithville TX and see LUECKE, the 1300 acres on the west side of that is the ranch I grew up on. Glad to know y’all.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2019 16:05:32 GMT -5
I'm not sure where the fine line is drawn between imagination and creativity but,
I have a couple good solves that are at one location that use both. FF knows them because he got them back in August.
I can say that the clues get progressively easier as you go Even FF said that.
Overall I believe imagination is needed to see the poem as a map and to be at a exact place following FF footsteps.
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Post by tom on Nov 21, 2019 17:31:41 GMT -5
Then Doug Preston needs to redact his version of the time spent in Mr. Fenn’s vault.
There’s a lot of conjecture here. This is meant to be hard.
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Post by astree on Nov 21, 2019 18:10:26 GMT -5
Then Doug Preston needs to redact his version of the time spent in Mr. Fenn’s vault. There’s a lot of conjecture here. This is meant to be hard. I think i agree tom but could you be more specific te preston ? |
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Post by tom on Nov 21, 2019 20:24:49 GMT -5
His intro to Once Upon a While. When Forrest assured him the clues were reliable but might take 900 years to solve.
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Post by npsbuilder on Nov 21, 2019 23:37:52 GMT -5
The last few Scrap Books got me thinking about a track I was on a couple months ago which were poems/books by Maya Angelou and came across litotes which are metaphors/coding used in her poems that are used and understood by other black folks. Is this the imagination we need? Meaning he is using litotes for each line in the poem.
No paddle up you creek - paddle used in auction for example
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Post by npsbuilder on Nov 21, 2019 23:40:18 GMT -5
Another one possibly
The end is ever drawing nigh - the check that bounced when he sold his plane
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Post by astree on Nov 22, 2019 6:36:10 GMT -5
His intro to Once Upon a While. When Forrest assured him the clues were reliable but might take 900 years to solve. Thanks tom. There are a number of places where Forrest indicates that the clues are precise (which to me says that the primary element is not imagination) and forrest has also said that the one who has solved it will have put quite a bit of work into it. Is that what you mean? |
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Post by tom on Nov 22, 2019 10:23:35 GMT -5
Something like that I guess. Forrest also said whoever finds it is mostly gonna earn it with their imagination.
If I hid a stack of 100s on 500 acres and wrote a poem with cryptic clues you’d probably give up before finding it, and I ain’t Forrest Fenn hiding something in the lower 48 rockies.
Something I have thought a lot about, especially since he has alluded to as much... Do you really think the big finale will be some obscure waterfall in the middle of nowhere? When it’s finally found, everyone is going to hit Google Earth and zoom in to the closest view. There is a big finale in my mind, more so than some obscure location since he has seen numerous grandiose views in wild places. I have been to one such place.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2019 11:46:37 GMT -5
His intro to Once Upon a While. When Forrest assured him the clues were reliable but might take 900 years to solve. Hi Tom 900 years or 100 years from today things will be quite different, one can only imagine the changes! IMO most searchers are looking at today's history books for answers to the clues and not seeing the big picture, there are no shortcuts into the future, the grand scheme of things to come, in FF imagination of the future. IMO you have to understand a little about the architect, one thing that stands out is he is a deep thinker, always thinking to himself alone and nobody else. Yes we all do this but FF does on a scale far beyond most ability,and if anyone looks close enough to things he's expressed it's a very prominent thing about him that he's tried to get across to everyone. Take stanza one for example, As i/he have/has gone alone in there and with my/his treasure's bold, I/he can keep his secret where, and hint of riches new and old. IMO all of this first stanza comes across as FF spending that first hour alone in the morning deep in his mind and imagination. The entire journey though it took him a lifetime,it is possible to be done in a day, when in fact,he knew all along where to hide it from the beginning but writing the poem and counting the clues came later. IMO to crack the riddle, which was step one, you'll first need to imagine yourself walking in his shoes deep in his minds journey, after that's accomplished then it's all probably pretty straight forward. Not intended to be 100% fact But imagination is one of the keys to living life on a new level,life is only limited by a lack of imagination. |
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Post by richard on Nov 22, 2019 12:42:26 GMT -5
IMHO, It's going to take a little imagination, A lot of knowledge, and a whole lot of luck to accurately pin the correct answer to each clue. I believe I have most the correct answers, now I just have to figure out which ones they are out of the many I have for each clue. LOL. Don't ask a young boy about where warm waters halt. You'll probably get an answer like, When it reach's my shoe's. HAHA.
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Post by davebakedpotato on Nov 23, 2019 2:08:37 GMT -5
I've been wondering how much Imagination we might need to use to solve Forrest Fenn's poem? And what is too much? or too little? And is imagination the right word? Maybe it is more like 'creative thinking'? Either one... I guess part of trying to answer that is to consider the hunt-setter. How creative/imaginitive is Forrest? We have free access to his writings (scrapbooks etc), while these are mostly factual his creativity comes out in using unusual phrases and even making up words. Let's call this 'creative with language'. He has also created his own bronzes, and found ways to solve casting problems e.g. the threaded lids on his jars. He doesn't rate himself as an artist and interestingly got into the art business for the money. His creativity here comes out in other, more practical ways. Let's call this 'practical creativity'. Then there is the hunt itself, from assembling the treasure, to the poem, TTOTC, hiding the treasure and not giving too much information away subsequently. This is his masterpiece imo, although building up Fenn Galleries was a heck of an achievement. Note he chose to use a) words, b) in a poem as the delivery mechanism for the clues, combined with a book. There is no encryption in the classic sense, and there are hundreds of alternative methods he could have used. He chose a poem. Literate creativity. His mind often wanders to other places, particularly when handling ancient artifacts. He wonders who last shot that arrowhead, who is buried under that grave marker, what his special spot will be like in a hundred years, who will find his bells. He's a time-traveller. He's a practical, literate, time-traveller with a particular creativity in written language. Any others? |
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Post by astree on Nov 23, 2019 8:27:38 GMT -5
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Richard, luck is an interesting idea. Im not sure how much luck forrest thought that there needed to be involved.
Dave, i agree about the practical application of creativity / imagination. In the case of the hunt, though, there seems to be a constraint...the solution is already defined by forrest, and thats what we are working toward. Whereas creating something new allows for a more wide-open approach. I think this is an important difference; we are trying to recreate forrests thinking when we approach his puzzle, not work unconstrained imagination.
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Post by Jenny on Nov 23, 2019 11:41:15 GMT -5
I've been wondering how much Imagination we might need to use to solve Forrest Fenn's poem? And what is too much? or too little? And is imagination the right word? Maybe it is more like 'creative thinking'? Either one... I guess part of trying to answer that is to consider the hunt-setter. How creative/imaginitive is Forrest? We have free access to his writings (scrapbooks etc), while these are mostly factual his creativity comes out in using unusual phrases and even making up words. Let's call this 'creative with language'. He has also created his own bronzes, and found ways to solve casting problems e.g. the threaded lids on his jars. He doesn't rate himself as an artist and interestingly got into the art business for the money. His creativity here comes out in other, more practical ways. Let's call this 'practical creativity'. Then there is the hunt itself, from assembling the treasure, to the poem, TTOTC, hiding the treasure and not giving too much information away subsequently. This is his masterpiece imo, although building up Fenn Galleries was a heck of an achievement. Note he chose to use a) words, b) in a poem as the delivery mechanism for the clues, combined with a book. There is no encryption in the classic sense, and there are hundreds of alternative methods he could have used. He chose a poem. Literate creativity. His mind often wanders to other places, particularly when handling ancient artifacts. He wonders who last shot that arrowhead, who is buried under that grave marker, what his special spot will be like in a hundred years, who will find his bells. He's a time-traveller. He's a practical, literate, time-traveller with a particular creativity in written language. Any others? Awesome post...... I feel it will take a deep understanding of 'what Forrest thinks and who he is' to discover the final location. Isn't it interesting what Forrest had said about the searcher who came close-- something like-- I didn't think they knew me that well..... (have to find the source link/precise wording for that)... What did they 'know about him?' Why did Forrest say the searcher came close because of that reason? They knew him. How were they able to understand 'his words' and 'follow a map' to get so close to the treasure? Was it a close friend....someone who related on a more intimate level with him and understood him that way? |
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