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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2019 18:51:17 GMT -5
FF said, 1 or 2 were solved comparatively quick. Are you sure that they were solved, or was someone playing a hunch? To me if someone solved a couple or a few they should know that they solved them and would probably not give up until they had it in hand. Even if they determined a certain place warm Waters halt and canyon down and home of brown, can that person say that they solved anything? To me it was a by chance lucky choice. In my opinion, anyone who was "in tight focus with a word that is key" back then probably truly solved WWWH. I also think it's possible to have an educated guess as to the identity of WWWH without having discovered that key word from the poem, only because its possible to solve the WWWH riddle and then have only a limited number of "canyon down" possibilities. However, absent that key word, I don't know if a searcher would stay put if further clues continued to elude them. Good explanation. Plus yes he probably underestimated the difficulty of later clues. If so and WWWh being this difficult what does that say for the rest lol. But it's not impossible.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2019 19:09:48 GMT -5
Mr.Fenn Which in your mind is more catatonic, where warm Waters halt or us as a community of searchers in solving your poem?
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Post by Jenny on Dec 17, 2019 20:33:49 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2019 20:45:51 GMT -5
That is AMAZING! I sure do like Mr.Fenn! And you too Jenny! Your AMAZING!
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Post by zaphod73491 on Dec 17, 2019 22:33:54 GMT -5
Thanks Jenny! I was actually missing this particular Q&A in my personal database, so I just added it. :-)
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Post by richard on Dec 18, 2019 1:30:59 GMT -5
That's true Forrest, elsewise he would have stated homes of Brown.
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Post by davebakedpotato on Dec 18, 2019 2:36:22 GMT -5
I hesitate to ask, but is Forrest being 'tricky' here? If you just read Jill's question and not the preceding sentence, then Forrest has only answered whether there is one HoB in the poem, not in the Rockies. Not sure if this is what he's done or not. There are many potential answers to HoB regarding trout, bears, surnames, colours etc, so I'm not sure what this answer is telling us. Hopefully that there are many types of WWWH and only one type of HoB?
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Post by goldilocks on Dec 18, 2019 8:28:12 GMT -5
I would like to revisit the "If I were blind" question. I'd replace the word "blind" because this may impede one's chances on site, to see a blaze for example which leads to the treasure and would change the answer.
Forrest, if I never had the opportunity to see the pages of your book The Thrill of the Chase which includes the poem, or Too Far to Walk which includes the poem and your map, would I be able to solve your poem and find the treasure chest?
Please help me rephrase this question so there is no wiggle room for Forrest. When asked before in FGM 20 a similar question Forrest's answer was if he was blind even he couldn't go to the spot. I can't wrap my head around how that could be if it's not in a dangerous place. I really want to know if there are any visual hints or clues in TTOTC, the poem in either TTOTC or TFTW or the map in TFTW such as pictures, word or letter placement etc...such a tough question to phrase.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2019 8:51:30 GMT -5
I would like to revisit the "If I were blind" question. I'd replace the word "blind" because this may impede one's chances on site, to see a blaze for example which leads to the treasure and would change the answer. Forrest, if I never had the opportunity to see the pages of your book The Thrill of the Chase which includes the poem, or Too Far to Walk which includes the poem and your map, would I be able to solve your poem and find the treasure chest? Please help me rephrase this question so there is no wiggle room for Forrest. When asked before in FGM 20 a similar question Forrest's answer was if he was blind even he couldn't go to the spot. I can't wrap my head around how that could be if it's not in a dangerous place. I really want to know if there are any visual hints or clues in TTOTC, the poem in either TTOTC or TFTW or the map in TFTW such as pictures, word or letter placement etc...such a tough question to phrase. I think you could phrase it like this. Dear Forrest In the past you said you wrote the poem in a way that's fair for everyone to be able to locate the treasure,you've also said everything a person needs to find the treasure is in the poem. my question is. Would it be possible for a person that is visually impaired and has a copy of your poem in Braille be able to solve the clues in your poem and retrieve the chest with the aid of a taxi?
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Post by goldilocks on Dec 18, 2019 10:04:23 GMT -5
I would like to revisit the "If I were blind" question. I'd replace the word "blind" because this may impede one's chances on site, to see a blaze for example which leads to the treasure and would change the answer. Forrest, if I never had the opportunity to see the pages of your book The Thrill of the Chase which includes the poem, or Too Far to Walk which includes the poem and your map, would I be able to solve your poem and find the treasure chest? Please help me rephrase this question so there is no wiggle room for Forrest. When asked before in FGM 20 a similar question Forrest's answer was if he was blind even he couldn't go to the spot. I can't wrap my head around how that could be if it's not in a dangerous place. I really want to know if there are any visual hints or clues in TTOTC, the poem in either TTOTC or TFTW or the map in TFTW such as pictures, word or letter placement etc...such a tough question to phrase. I think you could phrase it like this. Dear Forrest In the past you said you wrote the poem in a way that's fair for everyone to be able to locate the treasure,you've also said everything a person needs to find the treasure is in the poem. my question is. Would it be possible for a person that is visually impaired and has a copy of your poem in Braille be able to solve the clues in your poem and retrieve the chest with the aid of a taxi? ...still leaves wiggle room. We may need a plane, train, horseback, walking etc. not just limited to taxi. Also, don't want to limit it to just poem, but TTOTC and TFTW map and poem. Here is a question he answered regarding Braille: mysteriouswritings.com/featured-question-with-forrest-fenn-and-the-thrill-of-the-chase-treasure-hunt-little-india-girl/
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Post by zaphod73491 on Dec 18, 2019 14:56:17 GMT -5
I guess I'd need to understand what it is you're really trying to get at with the blindness angle. A blind person cannot even get to the starting point without someone else's involvement (nor can most sighted individuals, who will likely fly for some part of their journey). So the minimum starting point should be WWWH.
But what if you still need to drive after WWWH? Forrest isn't likely to give up such a substantial hint either way, so it needs to be removed from the equation. Best to ignore WWWH altogether. We know Forrest parked his sedan *somewhere* and proceeded on foot from there.
So here's one angle that might answer the mail. Suppose a visually impaired searcher, armed with the "correct solve," is delivered by whatever means (via that knowledge) to essentially the same spot you parked your sedan. On his or her own, could this blind individual navigate the remaining clues to arrive at the treasure chest's location?
I suspect the simple answer is "No," or perhaps "Not without assistance." That they'd be in a similar predicament as the 3-year-old girl.
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Post by goldilocks on Dec 18, 2019 16:05:41 GMT -5
Thanks Zap for helping me clarify. I'm not asking whether or not a blind person can get to the actual treasure site. I'd like to know if there are visual hints or clues in the book and/or poem and/or map in TFTW. I want to know if I am missing something that is under my nose or hidden in plain sight on a page, and not within the context of the words. Something in the shadows, photoshopped, alignment of letters in the poem, postmarks, something like the "in a cipher" on i.d. card etc. I'm thinking beyond the words on the page. Something a la The Gold Bug. Hidden text or hidden or images. I even brushed my TTOTC with a mixture of vinegar and turmeric, green paint and other child-friendly concoctions looking for invisible ink type messages. I have a very colorful book now lol. I suppose this whole question should be further clarified with "without the assistance of anyone".
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Post by davebakedpotato on Dec 18, 2019 17:12:25 GMT -5
Thanks Zap for helping me clarify. I'm not asking whether or not a blind person can get to the actual treasure site. I'd like to know if there are visual hints or clues in the book and/or poem and/or map in TFTW. I want to know if I am missing something that is under my nose or hidden in plain sight on a page, and not within the context of the words. Something in the shadows, photoshopped, alignment of letters in the poem, postmarks, something like the "in a cipher" on i.d. card etc. I'm thinking beyond the words on the page. Something a la The Gold Bug. Hidden text or hidden or images. I even brushed my TTOTC with a mixture of vinegar and turmeric, green paint and other child-friendly concoctions looking for invisible ink type messages. I have a very colorful book now lol. I suppose this whole question should be further clarified with "without the assistance of anyone". So "are there any clues in TTOTC that aren't in the form of text"?
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Post by davebakedpotato on Dec 18, 2019 17:14:10 GMT -5
I think I would also like to know about the nature of the hints in TTOTC. For example, there are lots of 'errors', but are these also hints? If not, how can we know what is a hint and what isn't?
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Post by CJ on Dec 21, 2019 2:31:47 GMT -5
I liked Jenny's question about the distance from the first clue to the last, but I suspect his answer would be something like - "I don't know Jenny, I didn't have an odometer when I hid the treasure chest.". It's really hard to get a real and unambiguous answer - and I think he just won't answer anything that would give away too much...so I'd still like to know if the locations that the clues refer to are all within the 4 search states....just can't resist wanting to hear that answer....
One other might be this:
He has said that "most" of the locations the clues refer to existed when he was a kid, in that answer, did he mean that some of the locations no longer existed when he was a kid or that some of the locations were yet to exist when he was a kid...
Might be better stated as: "Did all of the locations that the clues refer to exist before or after you were a kid?"
Point being that either some of the locations no longer exist (period) - they're historical places that are gone (ghost towns?), or some of the locations were created LATER....both are interesting prospects.
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