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Post by Jenny on Jan 14, 2020 17:35:11 GMT -5
first post in this thread...
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Post by rahrah on Jan 14, 2020 21:13:39 GMT -5
I like a promise to himself. I like that. He had fulfilled his promise to Olga. He had promised the waterfall that he'd return right? Then he discovered the graves. Eventually, somewhere in his mind all of those things converged - the Philadelphia thumb incident, all of that "no one is greater" stuff...but where does that lead? Did he make another promise when he got cancer - and if so, to go or return to - where? It's a bit surprising that after 10 years and 100k+ people (maybe) - that everyone has missed the point. Where the poem has taken me is what can be thought of as two worlds colliding - Fenn's and the place he hid the treasure. About three months into the chase I landed in the area I've remained, to me it made sense first, but now it's because the poem is explicit in why and how to get there. I didn't understand it last year when we searched our area, it's only in the last couple of months something important came to the fore in the poem and the book, and with that, everything sort of started to unfold on its own. I'm actually in awe by the simple complexity (is that even a thing?) that Fenn put into this! It all works together, with and without the other parts (if that makes any sense), and just takes patience to sort out, but there is a lot packed into the six stanzas. The biggest things I think those of us searching and trying to solve the poem miss sight of: 1. He "always knew"....indicates a very specific point in time, when he got cancer; he says so in the book....when pondering his fate, "he got an idea", "to fill a treasure chest with gold and jewels, then secret it," and he "knew exactly where to hid the chest"...this wasn't a spur of the moment, rash decision; care went into it, he found the chest, held each item he was placing it in, thought carefully what to include; he was mindful of his desire to make this happen. 2. He "was going to make it work no matter what"....the wording indicates that this place might not be easy to work with, why? Why did it take so long to make it work? Why did he wait 22 years? Here was a man, who suffers the worst reversal of fortune, going from a vital & healthy 58-year old, to being told he's dying, and he waits? A man who provided multiple examples of his tenacity, determination, and resolute attitude when it came to keeping his word....and with this, probably the most monumental thing he's done, he waits 22 years? WHY? IMO, it certainly was NOT indecision, but something else. And I pondered what that something else was for the last few years as I've worked on solving the poem....and I now think I've figured out why, and why where my solve takes me makes sense.
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Post by davebakedpotato on Jan 15, 2020 2:04:28 GMT -5
first post in this thread... D'oh! Thanks Jenny
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Post by CJ on Jan 15, 2020 10:59:03 GMT -5
I like a promise to himself. I like that. He had fulfilled his promise to Olga. He had promised the waterfall that he'd return right? Then he discovered the graves. Eventually, somewhere in his mind all of those things converged - the Philadelphia thumb incident, all of that "no one is greater" stuff...but where does that lead? Did he make another promise when he got cancer - and if so, to go or return to - where? It's a bit surprising that after 10 years and 100k+ people (maybe) - that everyone has missed the point. Where the poem has taken me is what can be thought of as two worlds colliding - Fenn's and the place he hid the treasure. About three months into the chase I landed in the area I've remained, to me it made sense first, but now it's because the poem is explicit in why and how to get there. I didn't understand it last year when we searched our area, it's only in the last couple of months something important came to the fore in the poem and the book, and with that, everything sort of started to unfold on its own. I'm actually in awe by the simple complexity (is that even a thing?) that Fenn put into this! It all works together, with and without the other parts (if that makes any sense), and just takes patience to sort out, but there is a lot packed into the six stanzas. The biggest things I think those of us searching and trying to solve the poem miss sight of: 1. He "always knew"....indicates a very specific point in time, when he got cancer; he says so in the book....when pondering his fate, "he got an idea", "to fill a treasure chest with gold and jewels, then secret it," and he "knew exactly where to hid the chest"...this wasn't a spur of the moment, rash decision; care went into it, he found the chest, held each item he was placing it in, thought carefully what to include; he was mindful of his desire to make this happen. 2. He "was going to make it work no matter what"....the wording indicates that this place might not be easy to work with, why? Why did it take so long to make it work? Why did he wait 22 years? Here was a man, who suffers the worst reversal of fortune, going from a vital & healthy 58-year old, to being told he's dying, and he waits? A man who provided multiple examples of his tenacity, determination, and resolute attitude when it came to keeping his word....and with this, probably the most monumental thing he's done, he waits 22 years? WHY? IMO, it certainly was NOT indecision, but something else. And I pondered what that something else was for the last few years as I've worked on solving the poem....and I now think I've figured out why, and why where my solve takes me makes sense. Well, that's pretty interesting. I do hope that someone solves it. Maybe you have something there. 22 years, 22 beads...that's good thinking. I still think there's probably a pretty good Texas tie in here as well.
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Post by seannm on Jan 16, 2020 14:24:10 GMT -5
All, I believe what we are all missing is directly related to Forrest Fenn’s original “Get back in the box” mention. And this may be confirmed by going back and listening to the Playboy interview audio that Jason Dent provided more specifically around the 39:20 mark.
Seannm
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Post by CJ on Jan 16, 2020 14:49:07 GMT -5
I'm not sure I understand Sean's comment - but I will say that I think that this is about time, history, and people - and that everything is connected. I think that's the thing that most people are missing. Based on that, I think that the poem tells a story, chronologically, just like the book, and the places that are tied to the clues do the same. At times, I've thought that this was about "last stands", then later maybe "tributes", but now I've come to think that it's a lot more than that.
Because of that, I don't think that any of us will every just "figure out" what the special place is, his favorite...something or somewhere - until it's solved and the winner or FF tells us.
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Post by thrillchaser on Jan 27, 2020 7:23:38 GMT -5
bump
is it related to the one thing not talked about in the chest
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Post by grapette79or80 on Jan 27, 2020 8:00:48 GMT -5
Could it relate to the the 22 lines in the tree of life?
My personal theory is that Fenn's father was a freemason, and albeit Fenn may not be, he has learned from WMF or has learned himself after his fathers passing about the various ancient mysteries and sacred geometry ("I felt like an architect drawing that poem") involved in Freemasonry and Rosicrucianism and Sir Francis Bacon theories. And, that TTOTC and the Poem is his way of passing on his dads fascination of these subjects as a tribute to WMF, while making a fun book which is accessible on all levels even if you are not into hidden meanings and codes.
IMO the general area can be found just from marrying the poem to a map, but the exact spot will only be found by those who can decode secret meanings in both the poem, TTOTC and capital letters. I have found several coded messages in TTOTC and unquestionable numerical connections by ELS, letter/number substitutions, letter counts and acrostic decoding and which are statistically 1 to millions. I have not found one large "map" in TTOTC, but certainly hints at search state using pretty standard "boys scouts" methods.
This is probably the forum out there most susceptible to this type of thinking. That being said, I have not been able to find deciphering indicating the exact geographical area, except for one occasion in the poem.
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Post by fennzenn on Jan 27, 2020 13:08:17 GMT -5
When he said that, my immediate next question would have been, 'were the people who got within 200 feet missing it (whatever 'it' is) ? If his answer is yes, it would seem to indicate they missed the blaze and if his answer was no, could be a lot of things.
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Post by zaphod73491 on Jan 27, 2020 15:43:54 GMT -5
When he said that, my immediate next question would have been, 'were the people who got within 200 feet missing it (whatever 'it' is) ? If his answer is yes, it would seem to indicate they missed the blaze and if his answer was no, could be a lot of things. Given the timing of the 200-foot searchers, and the number of clues solved to that point, searchers were missing a lot more than the blaze. They didn't even have "Put in below the home of Brown" (unless you happen to believe that's the second clue).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2020 15:57:37 GMT -5
If Mr. Fenn does not want to mention what it is, but would rather have the finder speak of it; it appears it is something he would rather not talk about because it might be painful in some manner. The place is dear to Forrest and then he adds that he is almost umbilically attached to this spot. In putting all of this into thought, the place has a memory he'd rather not speak of and it has family relation close to his heart. Go in peace............ Ps. He also wants his ashes spread here, so where ever it is, it holds tremendous heart-fill.
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Post by davebakedpotato on Jan 28, 2020 6:42:18 GMT -5
If Mr. Fenn does not want to mention what it is, but would rather have the finder speak of it; it appears it is something he would rather not talk about because it might be painful in some manner. The place is dear to Forrest and then he adds that he is almost umbilically attached to this spot. In putting all of this into thought, the place has a memory he'd rather not speak of and it has family relation close to his heart. Go in peace............ Ps. He also wants his ashes spread here, so where ever it is, it holds tremendous heart-fill. Ashes?
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Post by astree on Jan 28, 2020 8:51:56 GMT -5
If Mr. Fenn does not want to mention what it is, but would rather have the finder speak of it; it appears it is something he would rather not talk about because it might be painful in some manner. The place is dear to Forrest and then he adds that he is almost umbilically attached to this spot. In putting all of this into thought, the place has a memory he'd rather not speak of and it has family relation close to his heart. Go in peace............ Ps. He also wants his ashes spread here, so where ever it is, it holds tremendous heart-fill. His indulgence has two or more meanings, anomy, in my opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2020 13:41:08 GMT -5
If Mr. Fenn does not want to mention what it is, but would rather have the finder speak of it; it appears it is something he would rather not talk about because it might be painful in some manner. The place is dear to Forrest and then he adds that he is almost umbilically attached to this spot. In putting all of this into thought, the place has a memory he'd rather not speak of and it has family relation close to his heart. Go in peace............ Ps. He also wants his ashes spread here, so where ever it is, it holds tremendous heart-fill. Ashes? Hi Mr. Fenn, Do you still hope to return to the spot someday, and make the boldest move you’ve ever made? If you can’t physically return to the spot, would you want your ashes scattered there? ~Allen K. Yes Allen K, but in order for that to happen I would have to tell someone where that spot is, and that won’t happen. But I’m still thinking. f
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Post by me9 on Jan 28, 2020 13:47:17 GMT -5
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