A special, dear, fond, and secret place.

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solar-center.stanford.edu/AO/bighorn.html

[kpro]

I agree with roll. But have a different take. Ff removed specific references to his special spot in the book, but previous version show the locations and are key to the right potential solve. He seems to have published many stories and articles in a certain area newspaper in the years he started this chase. Why those and not others?

Lots to think about.

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There are many special places he doesn't mention, including ones that had the biggest impact on his life and almost cut it short

Looking in Yellowstone NP is something we do the first time around when new. The first stanza is what sends you on the path to discover the correct place IMO, and you need nothing but the poem. (no, it isn't the word treasures hehe).

[kpro]

I thought long haired mullets are red necks from Texas and they were Ff preference to find the TC.

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Yellowstone lasted maybe my first 30 days back in late 2014.

Most of my focus has been around Lander or Cody, also up near Gardiner / Aldridge MT. Also considered Flaming Gorge area, and Browns Park or Echo Park in CO.

Considered New Mexico but blew it off because its been searched to death and I also do not think Spanish translations have anything to do with the poem.


NOTE: The chest might be there in NM but it won't be found without Wyoming involved lol

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My theory #1 is that the poem leads to a bronze bell in WY (riches new), and the bronze bell contains the info needed to gain access to (and the location) of the chest in NM (riches old).
The second theory is if there isn't a proxy, the chest is in WY.

Watch the chest be in CO. LOL

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That assumes the phrase "alone in there" is talking about Forrest.

[goldwatch]

Dec 27, 2016 2:56:27 GMT -5 @drifter said:

The words "in there" from stanza 1 IMO appear to convey a message that our destination resides within an area that has a boundary like a forest, wilderness, or park ...

Actually, Seannm, the phrase is "alone in there". There's no way FF could know he is alone within the boundaries of a forest or wilderness area or park (especially a park the size of YNP).

Ergo, the "in there" to me implies a ... small space, a place where he can see the boundaries and know for a fact that he is alone.

Since he has ruled out a cave, the only distinctive place I can think of where he would know he was alone is: an outdoor amphitheater, an alcove, or a crevice.

If he means an area that is much bigger than an amphitheater, alcove, or crevice, then he is not being honest when he inserts the word "alone".

Drifter

Maybe the phrase is "gone alone".
Some people, some times, are alone even in a crowd.

[goldwatch]

Dec 28, 2016 1:16:25 GMT -5 @drifter said:

Maybe the phrase is "gone alone".
Some people, some times, are alone even in a crowd.

Could be.

But how would that interpretation help the searcher? "Alone in there" seems more descriptive and helpful; it conveys the impression of a fairly small place.

The phrase "gone (anywhere)" says next to nothing; it conveys no useful information.

D.

Actually, it can. Think about "alone with my thoughts", and this treasure hunt which only Forrest knows.
And who says that this line has to mean something to the solve? Important words in the poem could be about the story of it rather than the solve. Remember, only 9 clues are in the poem, and that leaves the possibility that the rest if reference. Where else in the poem does it say that Forrest alone knows where he hid the treasure?

But what I'm saying doesn't really help or hurt much, it's very possible that there's multiple meanings here (just as well that I'm wrong on this). It's just an additional thought.

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Dec 28, 2016 1:28:53 GMT -5 @drifter said:

Dec 27, 2016 10:37:52 GMT -5 @wymustigo said:

That assumes the phrase "alone in there" is talking about Forrest.

In my response, I started to insert a different interpretation of the pronoun "I"; then thought, no, it's not germane to the "alone in there" phrase.

If you're talking about that first line being the POV of some ... fish ... I beg to differ.  No one is going to convince me that FF's secret place is some fishing hole, and that the searcher has to put on  breathing tank, fins, wet suit, goggles, and who knows what else, to dive into some cold body of water to retrieve the chest.  This is supposed to be a family friendly quest that's suitable for kids and not risky.

I can't think of a worse solution to the poem than some body of water; unimaginative, trite, amateurish, and dangerous.  I can just see some mommy advising her 11 year old >>> "Now, Susie, put on your fins; are your breathing tanks secure?; watch those sharp rocks below the surface"; Susie proceeds to disappear under the water, followed by the appearance of a red liquid on the surface.  "Oh, hubby, I think Susie may have encountered a problem; why don't you dive in and rescue her!"

If your "being" is another human (i.e. brother, father, friend, celebrity, blah blah blah), that would be better, but how would FF know for a fact that said individual actually went "in there" alone?  And, it would move the focus away from FF, himself, which is not what I envision.

Now, if you're not talking about another person, and your "being" is something other than a fish, ... I'd be swimming with curiosity; and "I" am no fish.

Drifter   

Who said it is a person and not inatimate object?   The first stanza needs to be answered, "I" is not Forrest IMO.  Not understanding the first stanza pretty much means you will never find the correct place WWWH's.

[goldwatch]

Forrest said that he will always consider this place his and his alone. I wonder sometimes, a rainbow is a beautiful sight, but it takes on much meaning if it's seen at a key reflection point in a person's life. Could that be what makes this place special to Forrest?
Of course, we can't answer that without Forrest telling us. That may never happen, or it may be in his autobiography.
To me, this is a key thing about this quest.

[kpro]

Roll, I really like your post. I guess because it correlates with my current solve.

I think gone alone is where he bathed as a kid. Treasures new - the TC. And old - his memories and himself bathing.

I think it uses imagination, especially since the reference of where this spot is is not in the book. You have to find a old reference that says the spot , as the story now removes the location reference.

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Dec 28, 2016 17:56:01 GMT -5 kpro said:

Roll, I really like your post. I guess because it correlates with my current solve.

I think gone alone is where he bathed as a kid. Treasures new - the TC. And old - his memories and himself bathing.

I think it uses imagination, especially since the reference of where this spot is is not in the book. You have to find a old reference that says the spot , as the story now removes the location reference.

So you think he hid it at his favorite bathing spot as a kid in Yellowstone NP?  Now I know what you mean by "treasures bold" (family jewels) hehe



www.oldsantafetradingco.com/blog/river-bathing-is-best

[kpro]

Wy, yes, I didn't want to go that *bold* but yes, exactly. The location has been altered from previous versions but is a special spot.

[fundamentaldesign]

Dec 22, 2016 19:35:59 GMT -5 @rolltide said:

I never gave any thought to looking for a spot that may have been special to f. I felt that was a distraction.
Forrest talks about Yellowstone and how much he loved the place so, evvvvvrybody just Knows that has to be his special spot. Really???
The spot is a S-P-E-C-I-A-L spot. It is a S-E-C-R-E-T where(place, spot). He feels like it is his ALONE. Let me repeat that, the spot is his what? It is his ALONE.

He has not, nor will he, talk about this SPOT in any direct fashion, such as even slightly mentioning a place-name. If you are searching in places simply because he mentions them in the book and how much he likes those places, I must disagree with that approach.

One does not talk about one's SECRET PLACE. One might toss hints and clues around but, one does not directly mention the name or area of such place after hiding a small fortune there.

I feel it would be wise to let the poem lead you to the area and if it is correct, then the area will lead you right back to the poem. If you have found the right area then the reason why it is special to him will reveal itself to you with a little imagination on your part.

This is a game of hide-and-seek folks.

You don't hide in places that the other players are apt to look. You use your imagination and hide in a spot that none of the other players know of. And, you never tell them where your spot is. That makes you the winner.

Imagination is more important than knowlege.

I don't know about anyone else but, that looks like a D-minus to me. I'd pray for a D, but no one would listen...

Bingo, rolltide!