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Post by stiparest on Sept 5, 2018 17:34:33 GMT -5
I stare at this page way too much. LOL so I have lots of questions and ideas but nothing clear to me. There are 2 figures that I can't decipher on this page: 1- the white symbol that looks like an arrow near the top of the page within the left hemisphere of the earth? I thought maybe it was a symbol for wind direction etc. but can't figure it out. it may not be a critical clue - it just bugs me that I can't decipher it. Anyone know what it's about? 2- the map of MDI showing the words "AL PAR" on the top right has a green line with red dashes in it. Anyone know what that line could indicate? ana - I can't answer your first question. I've also wondered if it means wind direction. In the end, I think it's just an arrow, like so many others, and if it has any significance, it will be simply the direction it is pointing.
Re your second question, I think that section of the map, which I assume includes the words NATIONAL PARK, doubles as a sailboat sail for the boat that sits on the weather vane. The line of the weather vane becomes the sailboat mast with a flag on top, the yellow and orange striped/ red section is a billowing sail, and the map wedge part is the main sail of the boat - you can see the wooden boom under it. The red lines are batten pockets where they put wooden sticks to stabilize the sail. I'm not sure what the green line might be, maybe a fold in the sail?
The question I have regarding that area of the page is, what is that constellation in the upper right corner? I have found a similar match in Vulpeca - the fox, but it's not an exact match so I doubt that's it. All the other constellations on this page are exact. I've found some close matches for this one, but none that really fit. Does anybody know what it is?
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Post by stiparest on Sept 5, 2018 18:09:50 GMT -5
This illustration is unequivocally the most overthought page in the book. I think it’s probably more simple Than we are making it. It’s just very easy to get overwhelmed by the amount that’s going on Absolutely!
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Post by jonsey1 on Sept 8, 2018 12:57:33 GMT -5
Black/White , Purple/Yellow , Green/Red , Orange/Blue are opposites on the color wheel....
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Post by jonsey1 on Sept 8, 2018 13:26:19 GMT -5
I have no idea. The piano keys give me anxiety.
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Post by rarbowen on Sept 9, 2018 21:51:36 GMT -5
Jonsey, I know some music and would be happy to answer any questions you might have about it.
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Post by jonsey1 on Sept 11, 2018 11:26:48 GMT -5
Randomly interesting is the fox/goose constellation (connected at ANSER)...just noticed the GO ROSE also has GOOSE (R) in there. Could be coincidence just figured may be worth mention/note.
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Post by mdhann30 on Mar 20, 2019 10:07:32 GMT -5
The "measure of gold" line refers to something all together. If I am correct, Geometry??
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Post by morpheus221 on Mar 20, 2019 12:15:13 GMT -5
I always liked:
“a measure of gold” = BAR “Hidden away”= HARBOR
There are probably some confirmer clues that help solve the master riddle in these border phrases
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Post by goldhunter on Mar 20, 2019 12:44:35 GMT -5
I always liked: “a measure of gold” = BAR “Hidden away”= HARBOR There are probably some confirmer clues that help solve the master riddle in these border phrases Wow, I like that, too.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2019 13:29:05 GMT -5
I always liked: “a measure of gold” = BAR “Hidden away”= HARBOR There are probably some confirmer clues that help solve the master riddle in these border phrases Wow, I like that, too. So do I.
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Post by mdhann30 on Apr 12, 2019 9:51:28 GMT -5
I quote Johannes Kepler "Geometry has two great treasures: one the Theorem of Pythagoras; the other, the division of a line into extreme and mean ratio. The first we may compare to a measure of gold; the second we may name a precious jewel.” I know this may seem extreme, but I believe that numbers are truly the source for the overall solve. The "Keypage" is full of numbers and direction, a map if you will. What I don't understand is whether or not the golden key can be found with just this page or by combining aspects of the story and other illustrations. Anyone have any thoughts??
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Post by mdhann30 on Apr 12, 2019 14:25:17 GMT -5
Has anyone worked on page 11 much. I believe that the information on that page, used correctly, plots a course of direction to a specific location on the Island. The reason I believe this is as follows: The triangle in the middle of the page points to a spot on the magic square (letter L) and (pk). That same box on the old ladies page has a POI un the box. There are no peaks on the island with a L in its name; except, Parkman mountain used to be called Little Brown mountain. I believe that within the triangle are directions. If you follow Parkman mt. down to the U + L hadlock ponds there is a POI, Asticou. I believe this is the first point that needs to be plotted. Aries or the Ram equals 0degrees on the Celestial plain. Orion and the gold key within the triangle are directions on what to do with the points as you plot them. Also, if you measure the white and blue bar under Aries its distance equals that from Parkman mt down to Asticou. Thoughts or am I just seeing what I want?!?
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Post by astree on Jul 17, 2019 14:43:16 GMT -5
Ralph from thread "The Rose Clue" Astree, did you ever solve for the bottom right piano keys. Using the same method as the upper left picks EGL (eagle) and there is an eagle bordering/touching the piano. But I also viewed the red light from the lighthouse as indicating this piano was a red herring (and therefore maybe the eagle is too - and maybe suggesting we don't need to pay attention to any of the eagles in the book). Wondering if I am missing something though. I don't think you're missing anything thisjustin, but I interpret "eagle" differently. A harpy is a species of eagle: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harpy_eagleThe two piano codes may therefore be flagging both the first and last lines of the Riddle. If so, this might be more in the spirit of a helpful confirmer than part of the core puzzle. A first reading of the Riddle can be a little off-putting, and providing some reassurance that one is on the right track with it might keep them from prematurely rejecting it as gibberish. I think that the clues in the puzzle, both visual and written, fall into three categories: 1) those that comprise the core puzzle (the vast majority) 2) confirmers (like this one) 3) fun things (nods to family, for example) I think that are very few, if any, bona fide red herrings. Interesting points. I'm not quite sure how many red herrings there are. Fandango did say he ran our hide around. Continuing the thisjustin's discussion about the EGL, and the potential for many clues, and run-ons .... The EAGLE is under the word PAR ... In golfing, an EAGLE is 2 under PAR If this applies, then 2 "what" under PAR on p. 11 ? For example, there are 2 words under PAR, and before the EAGLE. These words are FOR THE FORTH E the "E" of that expression is the 4th E in the border phrase sequence (starting at left side, clockwise, which I think is standard order) To get to this point, one needs to know that EAGLE means "something under PAR". I think it is too specialized to work as a self-contained puzzle, so question if it is just for fun, or a red herring, or has valid use as an "extra hint".
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Post by thisjustin on Jul 17, 2019 16:37:36 GMT -5
Astree, I know you have suggested NW as a solve for the lower right piano, but if so, what do you do with the 12th key? Wouldn't that give you an extra "F"?
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Post by thisjustin on Jul 17, 2019 17:12:27 GMT -5
And in the spirit of being able to see different things in exactly the same clue, try this: 1) On the bottom right we have an arrow in an orange (red, yellow book = orange - takes us to p. 30) circle pointing at a blue rectangle (piano key) with a centaur opposite the arrow also pointing at the same blue rectangle (piano key). This suggests using the blue keys instead of the gold keys. 2) Using the same letter picking methodology, use the blue keys of the upper left piano (1, 8, 14) to pick from "A Measure of Gold" = A, E, D 3) Using the blue keys of the lower right piano (1, 3, 8, 10, 13) to pick from "A Gift for the Wind" = A, I, R, H, I 4) Anagram the letters to get: AREA I HID 5) There is a partial map below the arrow, blue key, centaur 6) That map is also touched by the eagle, and the gold keys for the piano next to the eagle pick EGL from "A Measure of Gold" 7) That map is a section at the base of Jordan Pond with the North portion of the map facing West (and the gold piano keys pick NW - North West - from "A Gift for the Wind" if reading right to left) 8) The GPS coordinates from p. 19 using the numbers on the lens as the latitude (44D 19M 27.614S N) and from p. 30 using the ISBN numbers from the orange book as the longitude (68D 14M 29.828S W) puts you just off the Bubble and Jordan Pond Path trail. 9) That trail is in the area of the map section described above and the GPS coordinates approximate the location of the POI symbol near Jordan Pond on the map on p. 56 10) So you could always try looking there ... 11) ... but I don't believe that's where it is.
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