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Post by susb8383 on Dec 9, 2018 9:06:16 GMT -5
Has anyone ever noticed that so much in the text doesn't match the picture? For example:
Fandango refers to him as withered, but the man in the picture is not. (bald, yes; withered, no).
Fandango says he has no gun, but there's a cannon under the table. (I know some think this is a projector, but I don't. I can clearly see a long barrel on wheels).
Both Fandango and FOP say there's no wind, but the flags are blowing.
Interesting...
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Post by astree on Dec 9, 2018 9:24:32 GMT -5
Has anyone ever noticed that so much in the text doesn't match the picture? For example: Fandango refers to him as withered, but the man in the picture is not. (bald, yes; withered, no). Fandango says he has no gun, but there's a cannon under the table. (I know some think this is a projector, but I don't. I can clearly see a long barrel on wheels). Both Fandango and FOP say there's no wind, but the flags are blowing. Interesting... I believe the authors use some of these types of contradictions to draw attention to important material. it has been pointed out that “withered” is an anagram for white red. white red is in the glyph, the small marker next to chest (p. 7), etc. |
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Post by susb8383 on Dec 9, 2018 11:46:56 GMT -5
Ah, hadn't thought of that.
The wind especially captures my attention.
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Post by ILLUMINATINPS on Dec 17, 2018 5:24:06 GMT -5
It will be so disappointing if SPF end up not meaning anything. Just some random way of saying Sir Proud Fop, or skinned proud fop. And what the heck does he mean by "Everyone gets skinned'??
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Post by stiparest on Dec 17, 2018 21:19:28 GMT -5
It will be so disappointing if SPF end up not meaning anything. Just some random way of saying Sir Proud Fop, or skinned proud fop. And what the heck does he mean by "Everyone gets skinned'?? I feel your frustration. Just one of many weird phrases that may or may not mean anything. Like "Full-tailed four-legged ship" or "Adam out of Eden"(!?)
Someone once mentioned there is a Sweet Pea Farm on MDI, but I question the use of the name of a local business except as an inside 'joke' or a nod to a friend. Not anything to do with the solution to the riddle. Also, something one would have to research to discover. Not exactly information found in the book.
I did find that SPF means Specific Pathogen-Free mice in the context of mouse research. Jackson Labs has a large facility on MDI. It is a biomedical research organization that works on disease, pathogens & genetics using specially-bred mice. I read about these 'SPF' mice on the Jackson Labs website. But this reference seems even more unlikely than Sweet Pea Farms.
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Post by astree on Dec 18, 2018 5:25:34 GMT -5
Some Proud Fop seems like a good guess. Also,. You've got a bald guy sitting in the sun, so i think Sun Protection Factor is a joke, but may have other meanings. Like, hidden in the shade.
But, I think theres more to it.
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Post by ILLUMINATINPS on Dec 18, 2018 8:37:44 GMT -5
It’s also on his jacket, which does make it specific to him. Kind of like a Members Only jacket
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Post by susb8383 on Dec 18, 2018 8:47:30 GMT -5
Personally, I'm not convinced it does says SPF. If you look really, really closely, the bottom of the F is at the fold of the flag which could obscure part of the letter. It could just as easily be SPE.
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Post by jonsey1 on Dec 19, 2018 22:23:59 GMT -5
Just a wild hare in my mind tonight but location, location, location??
The Last in Line
One of Four
Tradition Carries
All In A Name
Last / Line
One / Of
Carries
A
Tradition / The
In
One / Of
Name
Not sure what to do with that pesky F though (Four)...but kind of has me pondering the SP"F" 'Name' though
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Post by astree on Dec 23, 2018 8:31:26 GMT -5
Groups of four on the page
4sections to the house
4 letters
L I N E
F O U R
N A M E
( l a s t )
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Cant tell completely what the SP.. (spelling?) flag says
I also cant make out the letters on his jacket pocket
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Post by mdhann30 on Apr 5, 2019 12:03:08 GMT -5
I think that this page represents John Jacob Astor the IV. One of four and definitely last in line, his great grandfather was a fur trader. Astor the IV was also the member of an artillery unit(canon under table). Interestingly, he had a home in Bar Harbor called "Tudor Mansion", and on the property is a professional croquet green, the mansion is on the market for 3.9 million if anyone is interested. Another fun fact, he perished on the Titanic when it sank and is buried at Trinity Cemetery in New York. The only problem, I believe one of his son's, born after his death, has his name which would make him Astor the V.  ?? |
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Post by rarbowen on Apr 5, 2019 15:53:49 GMT -5
Although in the past I considered John Jacob Astor the IV, I now believe this is supposed to be John D. Rockefeller (1839-1937). Some of my reasons are as follows:
1. The drawing looks like some of the photographs I have seen on Google during his later years.
2. Religion had always been a guiding force in his life since he was a child. We see a lot of words and phrases in the story that would indicate religion was a part of his
life.
3. JDF developed alopecia (loss of all body hair) during the 1890’s. This would account for the bald head and no mustache.
4. Celestia was his wife.
5. He never drank alcohol in his entire life; he was a teetotaler (tea-totaler). Lots of tea here.
6. Forbes magazine had an article written in 2010, stating that he had ‘saved the whales’. They went on to say that he was “a man whose picture should be on the wall of
every Greenpeace office.” Notice the green peas on his shirt and the whales on his pajama bottoms.
7. His son, JDR, Jr. owned a home in Seal Harbor.
8. JDR, Jr. purchased and donated land to build 45 miles of carriage roads, 17 stone bridges and 2 carriage houses for ANP.
9. JDR, Jr. also donated over 11,000 acres of land to the park
It only makes sense that a Rockefeller should get a little attention in a book that takes place in a land where he had such a significant hand in forming it into what it is today.
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Post by mdhann30 on Apr 5, 2019 22:07:14 GMT -5
I love it. You are absolutely correct. It leads me to believe that this page is a red herring. From what I can see there is nothing on this page that can lead us to anything definitive in regards to a solution.
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Post by rarbowen on Apr 6, 2019 0:22:51 GMT -5
There really is a lot more of interest on that page, but as I have no idea if that is all it is, or if they will indeed be important. I hope that comes to light as I try to paste all these clues together. Actually, this has been my favorite page to work on in the book so I may be eating a lot of herring!
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Post by thisjustin on Jul 9, 2019 16:11:49 GMT -5
Also interesting (I don't know who the person depicted is) but the house pictured is indeed the Wingwood, which was Stotesbury's. Prior to being the Wingwood it was "Four Acres" Maybe- All in a name+One of Four = Acre Four Acres anagrams to "Score a fur" Everybody gets skinned! One other thought I had reading through this thread was the "all in the book" argument. I think going outside the book is helpful in many instances, but believe Pel that you don't necessarily have to in order to solve the puzzle. But that made me think about Page 19 and the DMS marking on the camera lens where it seems to be consensus that it stands for Degrees, Minutes, Seconds as in GPS coordinates. If that were indeed true, and GPS coordinates are a big clue to finding the location then you would have to go outside the book to figure out where those coordinates put you. If that violates Pel's statement, then what does the DMS actually stand for? (sorry, this rambling is probably in the wrong thread at this point) |
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