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Post by catherwood on Mar 7, 2019 17:29:10 GMT -5
I'm working backwards thru the replies... thank you all for the feedback! Astree, please explain how you get 7-D, 26-D and 55-L without crossing letters? Thanks. I do believen the rest of use are using intersections of rays, not just the first letter any star-point points to. Crossing over/through letters is necessary to reach a point where two rays intersect. Per your earlier questions: P. 5 BR red hits E. UR red hits F.> continue both lines until they intersect at the R on the bottom border.
P. 26 How do you get orange on BR to hit D without going through O? > go thru the O, then continue the line until it intersects with the orange UR line on that D at the bottom. P. 26 How does UL pink go to P? > that line crosses the entire left border but only intersects with the line from the UR pink. P.30 The red star point on the BR hits the E.
If I force it to go past the E, the straight line then goes beyond the last E in “circle”.
It would have to go through the E to hit the L.> yes, it passes thru the E in "inside" on its way to the left border because only there does it intersect, with the L in "circle" rather than its final E. P. 35 Are you using the UR yellow star point twice; once for S ?
It is already being used to point to the N on page 34.> the double-pages 34&35 are tricky; I see the N intersection on the left border, and the S intersection on page 35 top, but I grant that maybe the one star should do double-duty, even on two panels; I just wanted the S for TREASURE, and would gladly drop the N as bad data. P. 44 I am not getting the E. BL goes to E in “THE”. Side red star point goes to T in “THE”.> another double-page problem, but nothing appears to cross the center split. The E is the only letter I see at any intersection on either page 44 or 45. the side star red point travels thru the T until it mates with the other ray on that E. To point out several items, p. 5 and 55 are the first and last image, all 5’s. E = 5 = V, and p. 55 has those as red letters. P. 5 and 55 have red borders. page 5 border is green, not red; page 7 border is red. I wasn't looking at the color of the letters themselves all this time, but I assumed them to be whatever color worked best in contrast with the border background color. I can take another look. |
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Post by catherwood on Mar 7, 2019 18:41:05 GMT -5
What I get is NUMBERS OPE HIDEN TREUSRE RIDLDE. Let me know if I missed something. I'd be interested to see if others get anything different. whew! Going back to the details in your post, allow me to respond... page 7 UL+UR (orange D) "These star points are not orange" > under direct sunlight these look orange to me, do they look pink to you? they differ from the other arms which are red. I thought they could intersect at the needed D, too, but I do grant that the horizontal and the diagonal rays do not precisely intersect on a letter, just near it. page 17 BL+BR (red I) > did i miss this one?? I did! I'll edit my original table post. Thank you! page 15 : "I did not use the letter(s) from this page"
page 55 : "I did not use the letter(s) from this page"
page 32 : "I did not use the letter(s) from this page" > It can be argued whether my lines are drawn with too much leeway, or whether the artist was sloppy in the some paintings. It feels to me like every painting *should* gather at least on letter, but I'll grant that the F (orange) and the A (red) are near misses. On all three pages, i wish it was more obvious how to decided on a hit or miss. page 40 (orange T) "I don't see that the orange on these stars point to any letter">the upper-right star crosses in "THE" along the right side, with the bottom-left star aiming up, not over the bottom "TEA" (I do assume we're using all orientations of the star arms, not just going from center out to its pointy end) pages 34&35 (yellow set) - > I would prefer to never cross the center seam of the book, so taking the S on p.35 is preferable to the N on p.34, plus it helps the anagram more. page 51 "I do not see any red letters on this page - I only see an orange N on this page"> we have 5 red star-points to follow from all 4 corners: from the upper-left to the closest "A" but nothing intersects there; from the upper-left going across to the right border word "END" might intersect with the bottom-right star above the D, a near miss to be ignored? from the bottom-left going to the D in "TIDE" which I took to intersect with the upper-right star; We agree on the N for the orange set; I thought I needed the D here for the red set because I didn't gather any from the 34-35 spread as you did -- I am still reviewing my data on both double-page spreads -- but I see it now on p.34 and will add that D to my data table. Thank you again. again I say, "whew!" |
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Post by stiparest on Mar 7, 2019 20:56:37 GMT -5
catherwood (my responses with ***):
page 7 UL+UR (orange D) "These star points are not orange"
> under direct sunlight these look orange to me, do they look pink to you? they differ from the other arms which are red. I thought they could intersect at the needed D, too, but I do grant that the horizontal and the diagonal rays do not precisely intersect on a letter, just near it.
***On page 7 (Neptune) The UL has two blue points along with a red & an orange one that don't point to anything. The Yellow point points to the T of THE, paired with the BL star. The UR has Blue, Red, Yellow, Orange, Red, with just the Blue pointing to anything - the N of HAND, paired with the BR star. Neither of the orange star points on the upper stars points to anything. One cuts above the D of DEEP to the upper edge of the page; the other points to the left edge of the page. (After reading the rest of this post, I realize that you have used the trajectory of a point from point through center, a method I did not think to use).
page 15 : "I did not use the letter(s) from this page"
page 55 : "I did not use the letter(s) from this page"
page 32 : "I did not use the letter(s) from this page"
> It can be argued whether my lines are drawn with too much leeway, or whether the artist was sloppy in the some paintings. It feels to me like every painting *should* gather at least on letter, but I'll grant that the F (orange) and the A (red) are near misses.
On all three pages, i wish it was more obvious how to decided on a hit or miss.
***Because 1) the colors are off, 2) the stars are messy and 3) the letters from these pages do not add anything to the interpretation, I felt they should not contribute to the phrase. That's just my interpretation - I'm sure others have different thoughts.
page 40 (orange T) "I don't see that the orange on these stars point to any letter"
>the upper-right star crosses in "THE" along the right side, with the bottom-left star aiming up, not over the bottom "TEA"
(I do assume we're using all orientations of the star arms, not just going from center out to its pointy end)
***Ah, I see... I only used the direction from the center of the star out through it's point, not the other way around. Another way of looking at them!
pages 34&35 (yellow set) -
> I would prefer to never cross the center seam of the book, so taking the S on p.35 is preferable to the N on p.34, plus it helps the anagram more.
***Good point. I was a little hesitant to use the S because the star point goes under the S, suggesting we are supposed to bypass it, but it does make more sense to use the S than the N, which is what I did in the end.
page 51 "I do not see any red letters on this page - I only see an orange N on this page"
> we have 5 red star-points to follow from all 4 corners:
from the upper-left to the closest "A" but nothing intersects there;
from the upper-left going across to the right border word "END" might intersect with the bottom-right star above the D, a near miss to be ignored?
from the bottom-left going to the D in "TIDE" which I took to intersect with the upper-right star;
We agree on the N for the orange set; I thought I needed the D here for the red set because I didn't gather any from the 34-35 spread as you did -- I am still reviewing my data on both double-page spreads -- but I see it now on p.34 and will add that D to my data table. Thank you again.
***I think this is where you are using the 'backwards' trajectory again. I'll have to look at those examples - I only used the direction through the point, but I can see now where you got these letters.
Thanks for your detailed explanation! It's good to see how others are interpreting these star points! And yes, whew!
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Post by rarbowen on Mar 7, 2019 21:13:49 GMT -5
Thank you so much. I could see that was what you were doing, but it seems so strange to have to go through or past letters to get to an intersection where lines will cross.
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Post by rarbowen on Mar 7, 2019 23:15:40 GMT -5
Catherwood, you wrote: (regarding p. 35, yellow star point) "I just wanted the S for TREASURE, and would gladly drop the N as bad data." I like that, but wouldn't the Pink star point, UL on page 19 follow the same rule?
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Post by astree on Mar 8, 2019 5:50:45 GMT -5
catherwood wrote:
“page 5 border is green, not red; page 7 border is red. I wasn't looking at the color of the letters themselves all this time, but I assumed them to be whatever color worked best in contrast with the border background color. I can take another look.”
Thanks for the correction, catherwood.
P. 5 border is green, and p. 55 borders are green sandwiched between two red.
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Post by stiparest on Mar 10, 2019 7:39:13 GMT -5
Catherwood, you wrote: (regarding p. 35, yellow star point) "I just wanted the S for TREASURE, and would gladly drop the N as bad data." I like that, but wouldn't the Pink star point, UL on page 19 follow the same rule? I agree with this - this has always been a bit of a problem for me, trying to put down a set of rules for using the points. I felt that as long as one line had a clear shot at a letter, the second intersecting line could go through other letters. But I also felt that if a star point went under a letter, it would bypass that letter - which works on page 19, UL, pink, which goes under the F to the O of TO.
The only 2 pages where a star point goes under a letter are 19 & 35 (UR, yellow, goes under the S). The only difference between these two examples is that on page 19, there is not another pink star point pointing to the F, so the only place the pink lines intersect is at the O of TO, so there is not much debate over that one.
On page 35, though, the yellow point can be used in two ways - 1) go under the S and cross two pages to the N of IN, and 2) directly to the letter the star touches - the S of FLAMES. Both of these letters have another yellow line that intersects on that letter. So, do we use that UR yellow star point twice, including both the N and the S? Or for only one of those letters? If, instead of my 'rule', the rule is what catherwood said, that the lines do not cross pages. This would keep the S but not the N.
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Astree, please explain how you get 7-D, 26-D and 55-L without crossing letters? Thanks.
