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Post by Jenny on Aug 7, 2018 13:06:40 GMT -5
Im not gonna lie. I actually called camera places to see if they ever heard of a "DMS" function on any Nikon camera. All said no. IM talking about the strange red light on the Reflection page that says DMS over the top of it. Anybody ever wonder why that is there?? Cant figure a purpose for the 1927614 either. Not a letter sub, and definitely doubt Pel did any ciphers in here. More questions to an already confusing puzzle. DMS could hint to Degrees, Minutes, Seconds.... And the numbers 1927614 could hint to Flag Day.... 6/14/1927 As ideas.....
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Post by Jenny on Aug 7, 2018 16:46:25 GMT -5
Degrees minutes seconds would undoubtedly mean coordinates Right.... so is that all we are looking for? Numbers to give a set of coordinates? What about the Riddle? Maybe the Riddle isn't like the Masquerade Riddle at all..... it seems to be leaning towards that.... Seems like it could be small bits and pieces- scattered about- and are then put together to discover the location. Like for instance, maybe a set of Coordinates is found, but then you have to PACE FORTY SOUTH from those... (since that phrase is found within the book and might be 'part' of the Riddle/Puzzle) Maybe Fandango's KEY is found that way?
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Post by Jenny on Aug 7, 2018 18:14:31 GMT -5
Here’s the thing, ask your self if you knew you solved the riddle by merely having a set of coordinates. You would actually have to go check right? That doesn’t jive with Stockwell’s claim that “When you’ve solved it, you will know you’ve solved it”. I like the coordinate theory, (actually have one), but a set of number coordinates would give me utmost confidence without me having to actually go. Doesn’t seem to fit. It all depends how you discovered the 'set of coordinates' and if there is something within the puzzle which once known, will confirm it. Consider Masquerade's location. Once it was known, then it was realized other clues in the book confirmed it..... like the letters on the square which referred to towns close by and their approx distance to Ampthill... Not saying it will be that for Fandango, but could be something similar, or item, like a lone chimney or something... So while a set of coordinates on their own are not convincing enough, there could be things in the puzzle which would make it so....that until we have them, mean nothing to us at this point.
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Post by stiparest on Aug 24, 2018 12:17:25 GMT -5
I see DMS stands for Digital Mapping System...seems a bit far out to be a real clue.
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Post by ILLUMINATINPS on Aug 29, 2018 10:37:45 GMT -5
Could also mean divide, multiply, Subtract. But then again, maybe just a tip of the hat to Deicy Stockwell
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Post by astree on Aug 29, 2018 15:14:40 GMT -5
Degrees minutes seconds would undoubtedly mean coordinates
It is one of the primary meanings of DMS on this page.
The RV license plate shows 62-18 = 44 deg North latitude (see the perpendicular arrows on the RV spare tire, to hint at latitude / longitude)
the 1927614 also contains information, but it is scrambled (291 deg is the east longitude)
the border phrase "count 2 3" gives the 23 minutes of DMS
there is more, and on other pages, for gaining the DMS.
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Post by Jenny on Aug 29, 2018 16:26:34 GMT -5
Degrees minutes seconds would undoubtedly mean coordinates
It is one of the primary meanings of DMS on this page.
The RV license plate shows 62-18 = 44 deg North latitude (see the perpendicular arrows on the RV spare tire, to hint at latitude / longitude)
the 1927614 also contains information, but it is scrambled (291 deg is the east longitude)
the border phrase "count 2 3" gives the 23 minutes of DMS
there is more, and on other pages, for gaining the DMS.
In your opinion.... without having the Key in hand,and final solution known, your thoughts are just that, thoughts. Please remember to state them as such, no matter how confident you feel of them, because those new to hunt, might take them as fact, and not all of them are. I do feel most of us agree the 62-18 =44, but the other points seem more speculative in nature, and not commonly agreed upon by all.
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Post by astree on Aug 30, 2018 5:33:54 GMT -5
Degrees minutes seconds would undoubtedly mean coordinates
It is one of the primary meanings of DMS on this page.
The RV license plate shows 62-18 = 44 deg North latitude (see the perpendicular arrows on the RV spare tire, to hint at latitude / longitude)
the 1927614 also contains information, but it is scrambled (291 deg is the east longitude)
the border phrase "count 2 3" gives the 23 minutes of DMS
there is more, and on other pages, for gaining the DMS.
Jenny has asked that I clarify that my statement is my view, which it is. The authors have not stated that DMS means Degrees Minutes Seconds.
www.latlong.net/lat-long-dms.html
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Post by astree on Aug 30, 2018 5:55:38 GMT -5
I’m not in the camp of a master riddle being a set of coordinates. Nothing that even remotely qualifies as a clue is hinting to that. The whole thing with Numbers being part of the Star Phrase could mean anything. For all we know, 1653 is the combo to a lockbox screwed to a tree contains the key😉😇. Of course thats just my opinion. But in all honesty, where is the hint to tell you where to put the commas in the coordinates? How do you know it starts as DMS or starts as just regular Long and Lat, then you need to convert. Yes, we have the 44 and 68 on Harleys map and 62-18. beyond that, it turns into a craps hoot on which numbers from which page to form coordinates. Furthermore, whats the need to Pace Forty South if you already have the DMS coordinates? Maybe I'm on a tangent, but the author was pretty clear, only the book was needed. There is nothing in this book that to my knowledge is hinting on how to put together a set of coordinates, let alone knowing what numbers to pull from. Just my two cents. I will willingly eat my own tongue if I'm wrong. I dont think the Master Riddle is a set of coordinates either. The DD MM SS could be a point en route (for example) corresponding to the page, as in “follow the fox” and not the final pace instruction.
Ultimately I think there is a lot of Information in the puzzle that is extraneous or not needed so I agree with you on part of this.
I am a little curious as to why you would call a camera shop or even interpret the information at the top of this page as Nikon if all the information you need is in the puzzle. Or have you changed your mind since that initial try? I think at one extreme we can say to throw out all information that appears to be specialized and can even ask if the latitude longitude information is needed, even if it is relevant. Meaning throw out all the information except for the very basic.
edit, add a detail: Compare the picture labeled as Jordan Pond ( thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/gatehouse-acadia-national-park-jordan-pond-44712560.jpg ), and
latitude coordinate 44 deg 19 min 27.614 seconds. (note, very near to the "triad" pass) To me, this does not look like a coincidence. Question is, Do you need this info, or are the authors just making it interesting?
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Post by ILLUMINATINPS on Aug 30, 2018 7:14:55 GMT -5
Good question, astree. I called a camera shop because i knew the other numbers on the lens are standard for any camera, but didnt know about the DMS, so I asked. Nobody ever heard of it. So I interpreted the DMS as something deliberately add. Thats all. I do like how you came up with the DMS for the gatehouse. Ill plug that in to see.
IMHO one of two things are happening here: 1) The author made it too complex 2) We are making it too complex. I am gonna go with #2. These authors admittedly said they werent internet savvy when designing or considering this hunt. So with that said, I am throwing out all chances of complex ciphers, polybius etc.. I would stick to basic letter number substitutes. If you don't mind, can you provide a map link with your above DMS on Jordan Pond??
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Post by astree on Aug 30, 2018 7:53:44 GMT -5
Good question, astree. I called a camera shop because i knew the other numbers on the lens are standard for any camera, but didnt know about the DMS, so I asked. Nobody ever heard of it. So I interpreted the DMS as something deliberately add. Thats all. I do like how you came up with the DMS for the gatehouse. Ill plug that in to see. I'll add one more thing, you mentioned in your original post, about the red dot near the DMS, which could be morse for "E" (east).. again, specialized knowledge. Also, if you go to google maps and look at the gatehouse on the south side of Jordan Pond, I don't see a direct correspondence to the one I posted from the internet (maybe just the angle). (use the satellite view, go 3D, and then rotate the image around). This is all outside the book, so I take it as not core to the solve, but interesting. Ima add a 3)to your list below ... seems to me the authors intentionally put a lot of extra information into the puzzle, some may be to add, much to confuse (Fandango at one points says something like "I chase your hide all around" - given the play on the word "hide") Your approach looks great to me, for this type of hunt, I'm a big believer on focusing on the info in the book (and generally known information).
I put a DMS map link a few posts up, but try this
www.findlatitudeandlongitude.com/
Go to south side of Jordan Pond, and click around to get the coordinates. you can get both decimal and DMS representations. (you will see the triad pass, off to the right a bit). "Triad" is also shown on the key page 11 (brown contour map section). "triad" can mean group of 3.
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Post by susb8383 on Aug 31, 2018 6:22:26 GMT -5
Astree hit the nail on the head with the coordinates (sorry, Jenny, IMO ) 1927614 is definitely meant to be a coordinate to go along with the DMS on the camera. If you use the number as minutes and seconds (knowing that 44 is the degrees of MDI which matches both the license plate and the map on the bookcase page), it EXACTLY matches where the POI marker is on the map. Can't just be a coincidence. www.google.com/maps/place/44%C2%B019'27.6%22N+68%C2%B014'52.0%22W/@44.3246411,-68.2520706,736m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x0!8m2!3d44.3243372!4d-68.2477778 Note that the POI marker is NOT the exact spot of Jordan Pond House because the house is on the other side of the road. That's always bothered me before. Why wouldn't he just make the POI marker be the house? But that does explain why it isn't labeled on the map. Astree, that's brilliant! So, just to be clear, the -68 14 52 I used in the above link is just something I tweaked until I got the longitude in the right place to match the marker. The point I'm making is that the 44 19 27.614 coordinate is the correct latitude for the marker.
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Post by Jenny on Aug 31, 2018 7:19:46 GMT -5
It is one of the primary meanings of DMS on this page.
The RV license plate shows 62-18 = 44 deg North latitude (see the perpendicular arrows on the RV spare tire, to hint at latitude / longitude)
the 1927614 also contains information, but it is scrambled (291 deg is the east longitude)
the border phrase "count 2 3" gives the 23 minutes of DMS
there is more, and on other pages, for gaining the DMS.
Jenny has asked that I clarify that my statement is my view, which it is. The authors have not stated that DMS means Degrees Minutes Seconds.
www.latlong.net/lat-long-dms.html
Please let me try and clarify now..lol ... I think you misunderstood what I was asking. If you look in the second post of this thread, I offered the idea that DMS implied Degrees, Minutes, Seconds. But it was an idea and not stated as a fact. Obviously I'm not at all against that idea, or any other ideas being suggested. Please know that (as that is fact..lol). All I was asking was for posts to be written in more of an 'in my opinion or suggestive' manner -- so not to mislead anyone (new or old searchers). It isn't about 'who is right or wrong' thing...it's a discussion thread for trying to decide what might be right or wrong in the puzzle, and for finding a solution. I actually feel most do agree DMS hints to Degrees Minutes Seconds, as there are other items found in the puzzle, to offer support for such. Is is fact? I think we all lean it to being so. But I suppose the next question might be is, how does it help us? or how can it be used to move us further? There are many options and theories here. And it might be trying to answer those questions that we begin to get more speculative and should be careful in saying what is fact or not. But as more and more suggestions surface on those matters, and things begin to fall into place, what was first speculation can turn to fact. Maybe we are close to that here? I appreciate the MW Community and the discussion of ideas here. Please know that most of all. I'm just trying to do my best in keeping the forum balanced for all. thanks all.
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Post by astree on Aug 31, 2018 7:43:34 GMT -5
Jenny, thanks for the reminder. Agreed.
Susb, i once created an overlay of each point of interest on the map in the back. I will post if interested.
(glad you got the dms, i dont tend to give full disclosure, lol)
had also looked at DM as roman numeral. Or read the DMS backwards (relections) as S(outh) M(ount) D(esert)
astree
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Post by Jenny on Sept 1, 2018 9:13:33 GMT -5
Jenny, thanks for the reminder. Agreed. Susb, i once created an overlay of each point of interest on the map in the back. I will post if interested. (glad you got the dms, i dont tend to give full disclosure, lol) had also looked at DM as roman numeral. Or read the DMS backwards (relections) as S(outh) M(ount) D(esert) astree I would be interested in seeing your overlay astree, if you'd like to post it. Thanks
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