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Post by fennster on Jan 13, 2019 13:03:20 GMT -5
I've been trying my best to work through this and the other puzzles throughout the book since I got the book in the mail yesterday. As long as the weather holds up, I'm going to be BOTG on the 21st. I feel as though I have got everything I can from other sources, and I therefore really want to see if I can crack this.
I have no experience with this kind of thing, but I have been learning as much as I can over the past few days. I've completed about half of the puzzles so far in the book, but I think they are the easier ones. I am definitely struggling with the coded words bit just like Iron Will. Hope we can get some good collaboration here in the next few days to break this thing.
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Post by mcb on Jan 14, 2019 14:54:24 GMT -5
Eu tenho tentado o meu melhor para trabalhar com isso e os outros quebra-cabeças ao longo do livro desde que recebi o livro pelo correio ontem. Enquanto o tempo estiver bom, vou ser o BOTG no dia 21. Eu sinto que tenho tudo o que posso de outras fontes e, portanto, eu realmente quero ver se posso quebrar isso. Não tenho experiência com esse tipo de coisa, mas aprendi o máximo que pude nos últimos dias. Eu completei cerca de metade dos quebra-cabeças até agora no livro, mas acho que eles são os mais fáceis. Eu definitivamente estou lutando com as palavras codificadas pouco como Iron Will. Espero que possamos ter uma boa colaboração aqui nos próximos dias para quebrar essa coisa. Na minha opinião, o melhor seria primeiro colocar as peças no quadrado e depois classificá-las de acordo com a frase do anagrama. Nós já sabemos que as letras "THRILL ..." foram colocadas obedecendo a regra do quadrado mágico, então as peças seriam ordenadas de acordo com a resolução do anagrama.
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Post by fennster on Jan 14, 2019 17:28:06 GMT -5
Google Translate is fantastic! Ok so I just saw this as an anagram. Because it is a magic square, you think you assign the puzzle pieces after it has been solved and not before? That makes sense.
And what do you think the key is? "Special Words"? "Thrill of the Chase"? "Forrest Fenn"? Or is it one of the phrases from the other puzzles.
I'm definitely not as good at this stuff as you are, but I am learning and would definitely be willing to team up for the when it comes to the trial and error portions. I do half of the possibilities and you do the other half?
I just want to solve this thing.
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Post by zaphod73491 on Jan 14, 2019 18:16:09 GMT -5
Hi Fennster: whatever the Vig key is, it isn't obvious. I suspect it is a fairly long phrase (more than 20 letters).
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Post by mcb on Jan 14, 2019 18:34:01 GMT -5
Hi Fennster: whatever the Vig key is, it isn't obvious. I suspect it is a fairly long phrase (more than 20 letters). I have the same opinion. I've tried dozens of sentences, but I have not found anything yet. I believe it to be some peculiar phrase that is only found in the book and highlighted in some way. I would bet on sentences from part three of the book.
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Post by mcb on Jan 14, 2019 18:40:39 GMT -5
Google Translate is fantastic! Ok so I just saw this as an anagram. Because it is a magic square, you think you assign the puzzle pieces after it has been solved and not before? That makes sense. And what do you think the key is? "Special Words"? "Thrill of the Chase"? "Forrest Fenn"? Or is it one of the phrases from the other puzzles. I'm definitely not as good at this stuff as you are, but I am learning and would definitely be willing to team up for the when it comes to the trial and error portions. I do half of the possibilities and you do the other half? I just want to solve this thing. I forgot to translate it into English ... hehehe got me.... In my opinion, it would be best to first put the pieces in the square and then classify them according to the anagram phrase. We already know that the letters "THRILL ..." were placed obeying the rule of the magic square, so the pieces would be ordered according to the resolution of the anagram.
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Post by mcb on Jan 14, 2019 19:02:07 GMT -5
Google Translate is fantastic! Ok so I just saw this as an anagram. Because it is a magic square, you think you assign the puzzle pieces after it has been solved and not before? That makes sense. And what do you think the key is? "Special Words"? "Thrill of the Chase"? "Forrest Fenn"? Or is it one of the phrases from the other puzzles. I'm definitely not as good at this stuff as you are, but I am learning and would definitely be willing to team up for the when it comes to the trial and error portions. I do half of the possibilities and you do the other half? I just want to solve this thing. I've been thinking about the process of creating the puzzle. I think we're doing the reverse. We may need: 1 - find the letters (done!) 2 - place the pieces in the square. 3 - solve the anagram by placing the pieces in the order of the phrase "Thrill ..." 4 - make the replacement of the letters, which obviously are not the final letters. That seems to be the hard part. 5 - organize the letters according to the code of the last page of the book.
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Post by zaphod73491 on Jan 14, 2019 19:32:39 GMT -5
Hi Sangre:
"Where do you start the word count from??? do you include the chapter title? numbers, etc?"
Hint: take Julie Andrew's advice in the do-re-mi song from The Sound of Music. Whether to include numbers or not will become clear when you've got the right text. Same goes for chapter titles, subtitles, etc.
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Post by mcb on Jan 14, 2019 19:45:08 GMT -5
Jammy and ironwill: I thought from the discussion above it was clear how to solve the first stage. The number after the dash in each code is the letter position within a word. The number before the dash is the word number. The only real challenge is figuring out the right section of the book to start the word counting, and given the nature of the challenge the sensible candidate list is short. You'll find it. I will try to do my part to help out but I need some help understanding some of the concepts you are talking about here.
First off, I will admit, I'm stuck one stage 1. From what I gather, the xxx-y corresponds to a word number (xxx) and a letter position within a word (y). Where do you start the word count from??? do you include the chapter title? numbers, etc?
Can someone please confirm what the consensus is for the solved puzzle pieces? each puzzle piece should have 5 letters in a vertical orientation.
from what I gather are LSVLC MWXCL UTIIT AZUAU LQFRM JMYPJ HKAVC YWBLB LICTX BXACU OZMIE ULOKK HRBVG USOKL SVRWY AYULF
Stage 2 - place the pieces in the square - okay I think I can do this on my own
Stage 3 - solve the anagram by placing the pieces in the order of the phrase "Thrill ..." now you lost me here, can you elaborate on what you mean solve the anagram? and place the pieces in the order of the phrase Thrillofthechase???
This is already public knowledge, so I'll give you the start: On pages 1 and 2. When (word 1) the (word 2) idea (word 3) of (word 4) creating (word 5) ...... 112-2 a nAture 112 is word, 2 is letter in word 272-3 z gaZing 165-3 u coUld 70-2 a tAke 299-7 u difficUlt ....... Stages 2 and 3 are just my assumptions.
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Post by zaphod73491 on Jan 14, 2019 21:37:53 GMT -5
Hi Sangre: I think it's unlikely that the 80-number scramble occurs immediately after puzzle piece arrangement. That's bad crypto: two transpositions in a row. Clearly some polyalphabetic substitution is needed at some point to yield reasonable English letters out of the very non-English letters of step #1. Plus, this 80 scrambled integers appear on the last page of the book: makes more thematic sense to do that last.
So: book code, block transposition, Vig substitution, final index transposition. That's how I would do it, and it gives me the freedom to encode a short message in the outcome of stage 3 to let solvers know they've done it correctly.
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Post by fennster on Jan 16, 2019 20:59:51 GMT -5
Does anyone think the key is : Special Words. It is unnecessarily capitalized on the last page. Seems to jump out to me. I don't know just seems like a possibility.
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Post by zaphod73491 on Jan 16, 2019 22:00:15 GMT -5
Does anyone think the key is : Special Words. It is unnecessarily capitalized on the last page. Seems to jump out to me. I don't know just seems like a possibility. It's been tried, plus key portions of all the puzzle solutions. No dice (no pun intended).
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Post by fennster on Jan 16, 2019 23:41:11 GMT -5
What about the vertical orientation of the puzzle pieces? Do you think that affects how the letters are written?
AJLSUUHLOHMYLUAYB ZMIVSLKSZRWWQTYX UYCROOAVMBXBFIUA APCWKKVLIVCLRILC UJXYLLCCEGLBMTFU
Like so? Piece 1 in the left hand column. 2 in the next column and so on.
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Post by zaphod73491 on Jan 17, 2019 2:55:16 GMT -5
Fennster: it is certainly something to consider. The XXX-Y codes are laid out vertically on each puzzle piece, so once each code is replaced by a letter, the resulting 5 letters are likewise laid out vertically. The question is whether that layout is meaningful ... or misleading. Consider the alternative: could Jenny have reasonably listed the XXX-Y codes horizontally within the puzzle piece shapes? Artistically, I don't think such a layout would have worked. That's why there is doubt in my mind that the vertical orientation of the codes is an essential factor.
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Post by ironwill on Jan 17, 2019 7:22:44 GMT -5
Does anyone think the key is : Special Words. It is unnecessarily capitalized on the last page. Seems to jump out to me. I don't know just seems like a possibility. It's been tried, plus key portions of all the puzzle solutions. No dice (no pun intended). I tried THIRTYFOUR as well (the magic box sum) and that didn't seem to work :{
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