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Post by CJ on Dec 18, 2018 10:05:46 GMT -5
I've often thought that "brave and in the wood" was a reference to a Plains Indian in a wooden saddle.
The problem with that is that FF has suggested that the clues point to "places" - "most" of which existed when he was a kid. This often led me at place names - one of my earliest of which was "Saddle Horse Draw" - near Dubois. Does anyone else share these thoughts or have other "out there" ideas as to how this might be correct and still point to a specific place? I wonder if FF owns any of these old wooden saddles. That might be an interesting question to ask. |
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Post by lookinup on Dec 19, 2018 17:42:21 GMT -5
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Post by goldwatch on Dec 19, 2018 23:20:58 GMT -5
I've always felt that the veil between the worlds is very thin. And I think people glimpse through it, but often don't understand that they did. |
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Post by npsbuilder on Dec 20, 2018 0:26:38 GMT -5
The way I originally approached the poem and my solve was to make connections with words used in each line together and use them and the picture/image I had in my mind to come to what they meant. I solved the poem in 6 hours after the first time I read it. 12 hours later I was in my car driving to get the tc. North Carolina to the Rockies is 23 hours of hard driving. Needless to say 56 hours later I was back in NC without the tc. My thinking has evolved to try and get an understanding/meaning/point of view/architectural plans ff used to write the poem. Currently, I am digging into Ernest Hemingway's writing style of using as few words as possible to write his short stories. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceberg_theory This link will explain the theory in detail. I hope this helps and any feedback would be appreciated. |
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Post by goldwatch on Dec 20, 2018 13:52:42 GMT -5
The way I originally approached the poem and my solve was to make connections with words used in each line together and use them and the picture/image I had in my mind to come to what they meant. I solved the poem in 6 hours after the first time I read it. 12 hours later I was in my car driving to get the tc. North Carolina to the Rockies is 23 hours of hard driving. Needless to say 56 hours later I was back in NC without the tc. My thinking has evolved to try and get an understanding/meaning/point of view/architectural plans ff used to write the poem. Currently, I am digging into Ernest Hemingway's writing style of using as few words as possible to write his short stories. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceberg_theory This link will explain the theory in detail. I hope this helps and any feedback would be appreciated. Oh boy, npsbuilder, I think it would be dangerous to eliminate words from his story. But one thing from that I think might be relevant, the idea of build a bigger picture as you go along. I think that maybe one reason we've not figured this out yet is because we are looking for clues that spell something out. Maybe we need to combine things to get the bigger picture. I know I've had a couple of things where I said to myself, "wait, didn't he also say...", but who knows if I got those things right. This quest feels like a Rubik's Cube, built in words and in thought. I'll tell you one thing, though. I'm learning a lot of things I didn't know before. All because of this maze of mind and imagination. |
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Post by lookinup on Dec 20, 2018 16:35:25 GMT -5
I've always felt that the veil between the worlds is very thin. And I think people glimpse through it, but often don't understand that they did. Thought of Old Joe and FF upon watching this video with a young Ryan Gosling: youtu.be/X5z-jjWyAJQ?t=7 |
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Post by npsbuilder on Dec 20, 2018 17:54:32 GMT -5
The way I originally approached the poem and my solve was to make connections with words used in each line together and use them and the picture/image I had in my mind to come to what they meant. I solved the poem in 6 hours after the first time I read it. 12 hours later I was in my car driving to get the tc. North Carolina to the Rockies is 23 hours of hard driving. Needless to say 56 hours later I was back in NC without the tc. My thinking has evolved to try and get an understanding/meaning/point of view/architectural plans ff used to write the poem. Currently, I am digging into Ernest Hemingway's writing style of using as few words as possible to write his short stories. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceberg_theory This link will explain the theory in detail. I hope this helps and any feedback would be appreciated. Oh boy, npsbuilder, I think it would be dangerous to eliminate words from his story. But one thing from that I think might be relevant, the idea of build a bigger picture as you go along. I think that maybe one reason we've not figured this out yet is because we are looking for clues that spell something out. Maybe we need to combine things to get the bigger picture. I know I've had a couple of things where I said to myself, "wait, didn't he also say...", but who knows if I got those things right. This quest feels like a Rubik's Cube, built in words and in thought. I'll tell you one thing, though. I'm learning a lot of things I didn't know before. All because of this maze of mind and imagination. You are totally correct. I am using all the words, not just in the poem but all words on the entire page. I'm like you in the wealth and wide variety of knowlege (knowledge) and all the highlihts (highlights) of the characters, places, events the Rockies has to offer. The riches (education I have gained and will treasure) new and old this poem has lead me to has taught me to just get out there and explore not just what the world has to offer but the entire Universe as well. Since starting on my quest for the tc I have been sidetracked hundreds of times digging deeper into something I have never given a thought or care to spend finding more about it. I will have my TV on playing youtube videos about a certain topic while on my laptop bouncing around. All this goes to the bigger picture you are talking about and the Rubik's Cube with its jillions (billions) of combinations possible. The other night 1 of my google queries results was about the Rubic's Cube and the minimum number of moves possible to solve it. You may find the principles behind the solve fascinating. Click on the link below to see the principles used for the solve. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optimal_solutions_for_Rubik%27s_Cube Happy Trails to You and This Land is Your Land... |
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Post by goldwatch on Dec 21, 2018 11:57:45 GMT -5
I've always felt that the veil between the worlds is very thin. And I think people glimpse through it, but often don't understand that they did. Thought of Old Joe and FF upon watching this video with a young Ryan Gosling: youtu.be/X5z-jjWyAJQ?t=7 I never had just one guy like that. I had hundreds. I've worked in sales and distributing for many years, mainly with two companies. My first job was with a wholesale distributing company, where I worked my way up from delivery to sales. I had a fantastic time with both the customers and my fellow workers, a lot of them all being older people. They liked me enough to teach the wet-behind-the-ears kid, and I was a wiling receiver of their blessings. Oh boy, the stories I could tell, if only time allowed. A lot of laughs were involved, too. Quite a number of them served in WWII, and the world has lost a special thing with their passing. The "Greatest Generation" is an understatement. Their loss has an obvious affect on society today that sadly, younger folks can't understand. I miss my youth, not because of being young and full of pizz and vinegar, but because of all those folks who had a deep affect on me and are gone now. God bless them all. |
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Post by drpepperwood on Dec 29, 2018 1:19:14 GMT -5
The way I originally approached the poem and my solve was to make connections with words used in each line together and use them and the picture/image I had in my mind to come to what they meant. I solved the poem in 6 hours after the first time I read it. 12 hours later I was in my car driving to get the tc. North Carolina to the Rockies is 23 hours of hard driving. Needless to say 56 hours later I was back in NC without the tc. My thinking has evolved to try and get an understanding/meaning/point of view/architectural plans ff used to write the poem. Currently, I am digging into Ernest Hemingway's writing style of using as few words as possible to write his short stories. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceberg_theory This link will explain the theory in detail. I hope this helps and any feedback would be appreciated. Oh boy, npsbuilder, I think it would be dangerous to eliminate words from his story. But one thing from that I think might be relevant, the idea of build a bigger picture as you go along. I think that maybe one reason we've not figured this out yet is because we are looking for clues that spell something out. Maybe we need to combine things to get the bigger picture. I know I've had a couple of things where I said to myself, "wait, didn't he also say...", but who knows if I got those things right. This quest feels like a Rubik's Cube, built in words and in thought. I'll tell you one thing, though. I'm learning a lot of things I didn't know before. All because of this maze of mind and imagination. I had these same thoughts too. Iceberg theory. And hemingway is in one of ff's favorite fly fishing books. Check out the documentary fly highway. My first solve was highway 20. H20 waters. Halt at the end to west yellowstone. Boundary street. Then you have a choice to take it in the canyon down to the bronze. |
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Post by drpepperwood on Dec 29, 2018 1:23:33 GMT -5
Wood bison?
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Post by npsbuilder on Dec 29, 2018 2:06:53 GMT -5
I've always felt that the veil between the worlds is very thin. And I think people glimpse through it, but often don't understand that they did. Thought of Old Joe and FF upon watching this video with a young Ryan Gosling: youtu.be/X5z-jjWyAJQ?t=7 Reading the Introduction page of Santa Fe Light it refers to a Roman term, genius loci, for the spirit of place. Earlier today, I was reading about different memorization techniques using phrases to represent locations of objects. Each line in the poem was my focus with each representing a place or object being described in a way to remember it quickly and in the correct order. One of many techniques is The Method of Loci mentioned in the book. It's amazing how random something can be, can connect to my many rabbit holes. The reference to Old Joe by goldwatch was a different rabbit hole connection for me. The song Old Joe Clark sung by Woodie Guthrie is still one of my rabbit holes. For me and still can't shake it, Woodie Guthrie has something to do with the poem. |
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Post by goldwatch on Dec 29, 2018 14:52:27 GMT -5
Reading the Introduction page of Santa Fe Light it refers to a Roman term, genius loci, for the spirit of place. Earlier today, I was reading about different memorization techniques using phrases to represent locations of objects. Each line in the poem was my focus with each representing a place or object being described in a way to remember it quickly and in the correct order. One of many techniques is The Method of Loci mentioned in the book. It's amazing how random something can be, can connect to my many rabbit holes. The reference to Old Joe by goldwatch was a different rabbit hole connection for me. The song Old Joe Clark sung by Woodie Guthrie is still one of my rabbit holes. For me and still can't shake it, Woodie Guthrie has something to do with the poem. There have been many times in this Chase that I thought to myself, "Oh my God!" Because these "rabbit holes" take you on long journeys through the history of humanity, trips you feel like you MUST take if you want to know "how things work" in regards to people. I love the way Wikipedia allows us to learn about specific things in an afternoon instead of reading 20 books for the same knowledge (although lacking the rest of what those books can gain us). Woodie Guthrie's communist ties, and anti fascism, shows HOW such things come about. I think it's an important thing to understand, if we want to maintain our freedom. I'm against communism, and fascism, and any big government control in the bigger picture. Of course, you can't get away from some government control, since people vary on their thinking so much and things just don't work without it. But it helps to understand where other people are coming from if you want to see a "best case" resolution to the squabbling. I have a strong sense that this is a big part of the "story" behind this quest. It's sort of unavoidable, if we want to figure out the hints and solve the quest. |
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Post by npsbuilder on Dec 30, 2018 4:03:32 GMT -5
Reading the Introduction page of Santa Fe Light it refers to a Roman term, genius loci, for the spirit of place. Earlier today, I was reading about different memorization techniques using phrases to represent locations of objects. Each line in the poem was my focus with each representing a place or object being described in a way to remember it quickly and in the correct order. One of many techniques is The Method of Loci mentioned in the book. It's amazing how random something can be, can connect to my many rabbit holes. The reference to Old Joe by goldwatch was a different rabbit hole connection for me. The song Old Joe Clark sung by Woodie Guthrie is still one of my rabbit holes. For me and still can't shake it, Woodie Guthrie has something to do with the poem. There have been many times in this Chase that I thought to myself, "Oh my God!" Because these "rabbit holes" take you on long journeys through the history of humanity, trips you feel like you MUST take if you want to know "how things work" in regards to people. I love the way Wikipedia allows us to learn about specific things in an afternoon instead of reading 20 books for the same knowledge (although lacking the rest of what those books can gain us). Woodie Guthrie's communist ties, and anti fascism, shows HOW such things come about. I think it's an important thing to understand, if we want to maintain our freedom. I'm against communism, and fascism, and any big government control in the bigger picture. Of course, you can't get away from some government control, since people vary on their thinking so much and things just don't work without it. But it helps to understand where other people are coming from if you want to see a "best case" resolution to the squabbling. I have a strong sense that this is a big part of the "story" behind this quest. It's sort of unavoidable, if we want to figure out the hints and solve the quest. The ties that Guthrie had with communist was the part that I couldn't understand. I keep coming back to him in some of my rabbit holes. To give a little history about me, in the 11th grade I took the ASVAB (spelling may be wrong) for the military and blew it away. I was given the choice of any job the military has to offer. I committed to the Navy in the 11th grade and went into the Delayed Entry program. I decided to be a Fire Controlman (FC) so that would be the one to push the button for the weapon system to keep the freedom we all so enjoy. I have no doubt that ff is as patriotic as I am and just like you; I agree that this story has much to do with what THIS COUNTRY stands for. |
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Post by heidini on Dec 30, 2018 8:53:04 GMT -5
Reading the Introduction page of Santa Fe Light it refers to a Roman term, genius loci, for the spirit of place. Earlier today, I was reading about different memorization techniques using phrases to represent locations of objects. Each line in the poem was my focus with each representing a place or object being described in a way to remember it quickly and in the correct order. One of many techniques is The Method of Loci mentioned in the book. It's amazing how random something can be, can connect to my many rabbit holes. The reference to Old Joe by goldwatch was a different rabbit hole connection for me. The song Old Joe Clark sung by Woodie Guthrie is still one of my rabbit holes. For me and still can't shake it, Woodie Guthrie has something to do with the poem. Clan Guthrie is a Scottish clan.[3] Clan Guthrie Gutraidh ("Windy place.") Clan member crest badge - Clan Guthrie.svg Crest: A dexter arm holding a drawn sword Proper.[1] Motto "Sto pro veritate." ("I stand for the truth.")[1] Look up “clan Guthrie” on Wikipedia. What got out of it is a windy place that stands for truth. |
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Post by goldwatch on Dec 30, 2018 12:39:31 GMT -5
There have been many times in this Chase that I thought to myself, "Oh my God!" Because these "rabbit holes" take you on long journeys through the history of humanity, trips you feel like you MUST take if you want to know "how things work" in regards to people. I love the way Wikipedia allows us to learn about specific things in an afternoon instead of reading 20 books for the same knowledge (although lacking the rest of what those books can gain us). Woodie Guthrie's communist ties, and anti fascism, shows HOW such things come about. I think it's an important thing to understand, if we want to maintain our freedom. I'm against communism, and fascism, and any big government control in the bigger picture. Of course, you can't get away from some government control, since people vary on their thinking so much and things just don't work without it. But it helps to understand where other people are coming from if you want to see a "best case" resolution to the squabbling. I have a strong sense that this is a big part of the "story" behind this quest. It's sort of unavoidable, if we want to figure out the hints and solve the quest. The ties that Guthrie had with communist was the part that I couldn't understand. I keep coming back to him in some of my rabbit holes. To give a little history about me, in the 11th grade I took the ASVAB (spelling may be wrong) for the military and blew it away. I was given the choice of any job the military has to offer. I committed to the Navy in the 11th grade and went into the Delayed Entry program. I decided to be a Fire Controlman (FC) so that would be the one to push the button for the weapon system to keep the freedom we all so enjoy. I have no doubt that ff is as patriotic as I am and just like you; I agree that this story has much to do with what THIS COUNTRY stands for. I'd love to dig into this story with you, but I don't think this is the place for it. I'd suggest looking up the "Dust Bowl", which Guthrie was deeply affected by, to get an inkling of why he hated fascism and turned to communism. That's a very common story in world history. And yes, I love this country, I love what it stands for, and I love it's system that allows the people to have ultimate control. Despite all the problems, which can't be avoided. Maybe because of all those problems, which can't be avoided. |
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