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Post by Jenny on Jan 26, 2019 13:45:53 GMT -5
You can't find the Blaze without knowing the first clue......
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2019 8:48:58 GMT -5
You can't find the Blaze without knowing the first clue...... Yes I agree about half to know the first clue.So there's no short cuts in finding the blaze. So this could be you can't see the blaze unless you are wise in where you are standing in the creek to see the blaze What if you looking to far a head hunting for the blaze thinking it's a large blaze. What leads you to the TC the blaze what gets me within 12ft from the tc the blaze. 500ft the trail. 200ft the sign. 12ft the blaze. |
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Post by zaphod73491 on Jan 27, 2019 14:59:18 GMT -5
I don't think it's so much an ability to *find* the blaze prior to solving the clues that precede it. The trouble is in recognizing it is *Forrest's* blaze. As Forrest has said, there are 10 billion blazes out there -- how can you know which one he means unless the clues have led you to it? I believe the blaze is right there for all to see, but it's hiding in anonymity: it's a needle in a haystack of needles.
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Post by heidini on Jan 27, 2019 17:10:51 GMT -5
I believe it will be a threshold moment for the searcher that finds the Blaze.
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Post by heidini on Jan 27, 2019 17:13:38 GMT -5
You can't find the Blaze without knowing the first clue...... Yes I agree about half to know the first clue.So there's no short cuts in finding the blaze. So this could be you can't see the blaze unless you are wise in where you are standing in the creek to see the blaze What if you looking to far a head hunting for the blaze thinking it's a large blaze. What leads you to the TC the blaze what gets me within 12ft from the tc the blaze. 500ft the trail. 200ft the sign. 12ft the blaze. You keep mentioning “12 feet” from the blaze to the chest. I don’t understand. Where do you get this from? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2019 17:39:25 GMT -5
Yes I agree about half to know the first clue.So there's no short cuts in finding the blaze. So this could be you can't see the blaze unless you are wise in where you are standing in the creek to see the blaze What if you looking to far a head hunting for the blaze thinking it's a large blaze. What leads you to the TC the blaze what gets me within 12ft from the tc the blaze. 500ft the trail. 200ft the sign. 12ft the blaze. You keep mentioning “12 feet” from the blaze to the chest. I don’t understand. Where do you get this from? Didn't Forrest say he can't imagen a searcher getting within 12ft and not be able to find the tc. I could be wrong if so I'm lost . |
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Post by heidini on Jan 27, 2019 17:48:48 GMT -5
You keep mentioning “12 feet” from the blaze to the chest. I don’t understand. Where do you get this from? Didn't Forrest say he can't imagen a searcher getting within 12ft and not be able to find the tc. I could be wrong if so I'm lost . He said it... thanks, mike. |
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Post by heidini on Jan 27, 2019 18:16:21 GMT -5
Slight correction upon rereading: “Second, I have not said that a searcher was closer than 12’ from the treasure. It is not likely that anyone would get that close and not find it.” 12’ from the TREASURE -not 12’ from the blaze. That is a distinction that should not be overlooked. |
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Post by zaphod73491 on Jan 27, 2019 19:04:12 GMT -5
Slight correction upon rereading: “Second, I have not said that a searcher was closer than 12’ from the treasure. It is not likely that anyone would get that close and not find it.” 12’ from the TREASURE -not 12’ from the blaze. That is a distinction that should not be overlooked. Hi Heidini: yes a very important distinction. I've noticed many searchers, when talking about the treasure chest location, seem comfortable using "blaze" and "treasure chest location" interchangeably. Yet Forrest has never indicated what the magnitude of the distance between the two might be. All he has said on that score was, "Casey, I did not take the measurement, but logic tells me that if you don't know where the blaze is it really doesn't matter. If you can find the blaze though, the answer to your question will be obvious." In my opinion, not only will the answer be obvious, it will be funny. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2019 19:24:56 GMT -5
Slight correction upon rereading: “Second, I have not said that a searcher was closer than 12’ from the treasure. It is not likely that anyone would get that close and not find it.” 12’ from the TREASURE -not 12’ from the blaze. That is a distinction that should not be overlooked. It seems that the blaze is the only thing we have to go on to find the TC if we can make it to the blaze then we tarry scant to tarry scant to get in there and out of there fast the chest would have to be close to the blaze like in a 12ft radios. |
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Post by heidini on Jan 27, 2019 19:35:36 GMT -5
Maybe. But there are basically 3 stanzas past the blaze. Hard to believe there are no clues in them.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2019 19:44:21 GMT -5
Maybe. But there are basically 3 stanzas past the blaze. Hard to believe there are no clues in them. Yes I believe there are at list 4 clues after the blaze. But Imo stanza 6 only gives 1 or 2 clues in how to hunt for the TC in the location. |
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Post by lookinup on Jan 27, 2019 20:10:41 GMT -5
I believe it will be a threshold moment for the searcher that finds the Blaze. I find "threshold moment" to be right up there with the best, heidini! |
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Post by rahrah on Jan 27, 2019 23:24:13 GMT -5
You can't find the Blaze without knowing the first clue......
True.
It's only very recently that I now understand why - the poem very much confirms itself and to understand "If you've been wise and found the blaze.." you absolutely need to have the first clue nailed down.
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Post by zaphod73491 on Jan 28, 2019 12:35:47 GMT -5
I don't think it's so much an ability to *find* the blaze prior to solving the clues that precede it. The trouble is in recognizing it is *Forrest's* blaze. As Forrest has said, there are 10 billion blazes out there -- how can you know which one he means unless the clues have led you to it? I believe the blaze is right there for all to see, but it's hiding in anonymity: it's a needle in a haystack of needles. Don't mean to quibble, but to someone searching for the chest, there's really no difference in the two phrases: "finding" the blaze, and "recognizing" the blaze. The subsequent rationale is contradicted by Forrest Fenn himself, when he said the blaze is something that "stands out". So if the searcher is in the right area there isn't going to be "10 billion blazes out there"; there's going to be one object that stands out as the blaze. As such, it won't be "hiding in anonymity". Searchers tend to conflate his verbal comments into some generalized super rule that's applicable to all searches. Which is why I have never understood why searchers take everything that Forrest says at face value. Or in your case, zaphod, since you have been in the chase for so long, you assume that the reader will know exactly what you mean, and therefore in your explanations you conclude that it's unnecessary to be precise.  The distinction I was trying to make was between someone staring at maps of all four states looking for the blaze vs. a very focused location that you've been brought to because you solved a half-dozen clues or more. If you've only got WWWH, then that's not nearly good enough. The blaze is likely not the most "stand out" feature within a 5-mile radius or perhaps even a 1-mile radius. If it was, two-clue solvers would have had it five years ago. |
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