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Post by locolobo on Jan 29, 2019 20:32:38 GMT -5
That American Journal of Archaeology article "The Allegorical Siege in the Art of the Middle Ages" is an excellent find by John Brown! Thank you, astree, for cross-posting it here! (I've posted it over at THOR as well, crediting him.) Now we know the whole story of the scene depicted on the lid of Indulgence! What's amazing to me is that it took 9 years for a searcher to discover this. The question is: exquisite researcher that Forrest is, did he also uncover this journal article long ago? LOL, it did not take 9 years for a searcher to discover. Thanks to John Brown a number of us have known about it since August 30, 2013!!!
www.chasechat.com/showthread.php?tid=323&pid=7264#pid7264
your welcome...…. 
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Post by drpepperwood on Jan 30, 2019 0:14:22 GMT -5
So ff mentions john w booth in ttotc. The casket was a gift to the museum by John lord booth. Connection?
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Post by mustlistengood on Jan 30, 2019 1:11:10 GMT -5
The Fenn Bait and Switch theory (I also posted on THOR)
How to detect and prevent false treasure find claims:
1. Get a nice bronze casket with Romanesque carvings from around 1150 AD. Pay too much, but you really like it.
2. Being an expert and familiar with bronze antiques and who has them, you find a similar (much newer) bronze casket at an Art Museum . Through your extensive contacts in the business, you are able to borrow it for a bit.
3. Use the newer casket in photoshoots for your treasure to promote your book. Return the newer casket to the museum.
4. Hide you treasure in the older casket, which is similar in style, but much older with completely different markings.
5. Wait for any false claims to emerge, such as cast replicas, photo shops, descriptions that match the newer chest shown in the book. You have successfully weeded these out. The treasure has not been found and you are very sure. Only the actual finder will know what the REAL Romanesque chest looks like.
Is it possible?
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Post by zaphod73491 on Jan 30, 2019 3:38:02 GMT -5
That American Journal of Archaeology article "The Allegorical Siege in the Art of the Middle Ages" is an excellent find by John Brown! Thank you, astree, for cross-posting it here! (I've posted it over at THOR as well, crediting him.) Now we know the whole story of the scene depicted on the lid of Indulgence! What's amazing to me is that it took 9 years for a searcher to discover this. The question is: exquisite researcher that Forrest is, did he also uncover this journal article long ago? LOL, it did not take 9 years for a searcher to discover. Thanks to John Brown a number of us have known about it since August 30, 2013!!!
www.chasechat.com/showthread.php?tid=323&pid=7264#pid7264
your welcome...….
I don't read ChaseChat, and won't. Apparently few do, otherwise this would have been "common" knowledge long ago. But hats off to those that have infinite time and have their finger on the pulse of all 37 blogs about Forrest's treasure. Peace out. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2019 7:53:52 GMT -5
The Fenn Bait and Switch theory (I also posted on THOR) How to detect and prevent false treasure find claims: 1. Get a nice bronze casket with Romanesque carvings from around 1150 AD. Pay too much, but you really like it. 2. Being an expert and familiar with bronze antiques and who has them, you find a similar (much newer) bronze casket at an Art Museum . Through your extensive contacts in the business, you are able to borrow it for a bit. 3. Use the newer casket in photoshoots for your treasure to promote your book. Return the newer casket to the museum. 4. Hide you treasure in the older casket, which is similar in style, but much older with completely different markings. 5. Wait for any false claims to emerge, such as cast replicas, photo shops, descriptions that match the newer chest shown in the book. You have successfully weeded these out. The treasure has not been found and you are very sure. Only the actual finder will know what the REAL Romanesque chest looks like. Is it possible? Very much so but why? Is this the answers Forrest already knows. |
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Post by robjohnson on Jan 30, 2019 11:30:32 GMT -5
Maybe the biggest aberration is the estimated age of the chest. TTOTC pg. 129, "Fortunately, I talked a museum friend into selling me his ...chest. An excited antique scholar said the chest was probably a Romanesque Lock Box that dated to about 1150 AD."
If the "scholar" had done better work, it might have been determined that the box was Gothic style, not Romanesque, and a design from about a century later.
And the DIA's estimate of age is also another aberration.
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Post by drpepperwood on Jan 31, 2019 1:50:40 GMT -5
Kind of confused here. If the chest is not on display doesn't that mean it is no longer at the museum? Maybe this picture is the chest ff bought from the museum? Same chest that is now hidden. Has anyone verified that the chest is still at the museum?
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Post by robjohnson on Jan 31, 2019 5:48:08 GMT -5
Kind of confused here. If the chest is not on display doesn't that mean it is no longer at the museum? Maybe this picture is the chest ff bought from the museum? Same chest that is now hidden. Has anyone verified that the chest is still at the museum? Many items may not be displayed by a museum, just stored. Others have compared the pictures of the chests and state they can see minor damage differences on the pictures, and that the latch/attachment is of a different shape, if I recall correctly rounded versus more square. And others have stated that the chest in the wilderness is different than the picture in ttotc. Whatever. I have not contacted the museum - maybe they have received so many calls recently that they may redisplay it. |
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Post by mustlistengood on Jan 31, 2019 22:52:54 GMT -5
The Fenn Bait and Switch theory (I also posted on THOR) How to detect and prevent false treasure find claims: 1. Get a nice bronze casket with Romanesque carvings from around 1150 AD. Pay too much, but you really like it. 2. Being an expert and familiar with bronze antiques and who has them, you find a similar (much newer) bronze casket at an Art Museum . Through your extensive contacts in the business, you are able to borrow it for a bit. 3. Use the newer casket in photoshoots for your treasure to promote your book. Return the newer casket to the museum. 4. Hide you treasure in the older casket, which is similar in style, but much older with completely different markings. 5. Wait for any false claims to emerge, such as cast replicas, photo shops, descriptions that match the newer chest shown in the book. You have successfully weeded these out. The treasure has not been found and you are very sure. Only the actual finder will know what the REAL Romanesque chest looks like. Is it possible? Very much so but why? Is this the answers Forrest already knows. Well, it would be something only Forrest knows, but I don't believe that is what the fifth stanza is referring to. This works whether the chest Forrest used for the photoshoot is now in the Detroit Museum (we can pretty much rule that out), or if its just similar to it and there are others like it out there. The point is that its a newer, less valuable chest that he borrowed or purchased and then disposed of it. The real 12th century chest that we've never seen is in the Rocky Mountains north of Santa Fe, and Forrest's expert is actually correct and Forrest is telling the truth about the age and style. |
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Post by heidini on Jan 31, 2019 23:09:50 GMT -5
Kind of confused here. If the chest is not on display doesn't that mean it is no longer at the museum? Maybe this picture is the chest ff bought from the museum? Same chest that is now hidden. Has anyone verified that the chest is still at the museum? Display means out for the public. Lots of museums rotate their pieces. The chest from the Detroit Institute of arts is just a cousin to indulgence. “Our” chest is still out there- Somewhere in the Rocky Mountains north of Santa Fe. |
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Post by heidini on Jan 31, 2019 23:10:30 GMT -5
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Post by zaphod73491 on Jan 31, 2019 23:21:16 GMT -5
It doesn't bother me that there are "kissing cousins" of Forrest's chest out there. I *do* find it remarkable that in 9 years no searcher sleuthed out the existence of even one such chest in a public museum -- even if not on display. Collectively, searchers are thorough, so it's surprising it took so long.
Forrest's knee-jerk response that this Detroit chest/casket is "MUCH" smaller than his is rather curious, when clearly it is not.
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Post by npsbuilder on Jan 31, 2019 23:55:42 GMT -5
It doesn't bother me that there are "kissing cousins" of Forrest's chest out there. I *do* find it remarkable that in 9 years no searcher sleuthed out the existence of even one such chest in a public museum -- even if not on display. Collectively, searchers are thorough, so it's surprising it took so long. Forrest's knee-jerk response that this Detroit chest/casket is "MUCH" smaller than his is rather curious, when clearly it is not. I haven't heard ff's response and find it curious as well. With my train of thought for my current solve (not saying I'm right) I think I understand what he means. His "title to the gold" is 160 acres of land that is a mining claim. Hence much smaller than his chest IMO. His response helps me to think I may be onto something and my thinking. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2019 5:56:21 GMT -5
Kyle Sandra come out with the second chest a few weeks back. He found the same TC at the same museum. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2019 6:22:19 GMT -5
Scott on facebook’s “Forrest Fenn’s treasure galore” found this! No Kyle Sandra found this first. |
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