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Post by Jenny on Apr 1, 2019 11:14:11 GMT -5
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Apr 1, 2019 12:15:55 GMT -5
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Post by fennster on Apr 1, 2019 12:15:55 GMT -5
So my guesses after reading the new clue. The key phrase is 52 letters long and the fist and fifth words are anagrams. That makes sense why some of our attempts didn't work.
Most of the time I was putting together the first word and if it didn't makes sense I'd move on.
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Post by zaphod73491 on Apr 1, 2019 12:16:33 GMT -5
Thanks so much, Jenny! A much more interesting clue than we were led to believe was forthcoming. Now to put the thinking cap on and decipher...
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Apr 1, 2019 21:46:17 GMT -5
Post by harrytruman on Apr 1, 2019 21:46:17 GMT -5
Jenny already said that everything we need is in her book.
So, it's a 52-letter phrase that's "not obscure at all," that "relates to The Thrill of the Chase," and that appears somewhere in the book, probably in Part Three. (GeneticBlend also said that the phrase is "not obvious.")
I'm not sure that the first and fifth words of the phrase are anagrams. My first thought is that these words appear in one of her puzzles (the most obvious would be "treasure").
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Apr 1, 2019 23:49:43 GMT -5
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Post by zaphod73491 on Apr 1, 2019 23:49:43 GMT -5
Jenny already said that everything we need is in her book. So, it's a 52-letter phrase that's "not obscure at all," that "relates to The Thrill of the Chase," and that appears somewhere in the book, probably in Part Three. (GeneticBlend also said that the phrase is "not obvious.") I'm not sure that the first and fifth words of the phrase are anagrams. My first thought is that these words appear in one of her puzzles (the most obvious would be "treasure"). Hi Harry: In am 100% sure the 52-letter phrase does NOT appear in Jenny's book. At best it's a variant. |
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Apr 1, 2019 23:53:09 GMT -5
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Post by zaphod73491 on Apr 1, 2019 23:53:09 GMT -5
So my guesses after reading the new clue. The key phrase is 52 letters long and the fist and fifth words are anagrams. That makes sense why some of our attempts didn't work. Most of the time I was putting together the first word and if it didn't makes sense I'd move on. Fennster: concur on the most reasonable keyphrase length. Not at all clear to me, however, that the other hints in Jenny's poem refer to ~her~ keyphrase. They could refer to Forrest's message. |
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Apr 2, 2019 0:27:15 GMT -5
Post by harrytruman on Apr 2, 2019 0:27:15 GMT -5
Jenny already said that everything we need is in her book. So, it's a 52-letter phrase that's "not obscure at all," that "relates to The Thrill of the Chase," and that appears somewhere in the book, probably in Part Three. (GeneticBlend also said that the phrase is "not obvious.") I'm not sure that the first and fifth words of the phrase are anagrams. My first thought is that these words appear in one of her puzzles (the most obvious would be "treasure"). Hi Harry: In am 100% sure the 52-letter phrase does NOT appear in Jenny's book. At best it's a variant. From the Q&A thread: Q) Other than general knowledge of how some ciphers work, do I need any other resource to solve the Fenn code, or is everything I need found inside your book? As an example: do I need a copy of TTOTC? A) All is in the book. Since we need the 52-letter keyphrase to solve the Vigenere cipher, and since she seems to have been saying that everything we need is in the book, I don't see how you could be 100% certain that the keyphrase is not in the book. Am I misunderstanding her answer? |
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Apr 2, 2019 0:46:10 GMT -5
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Post by zaphod73491 on Apr 2, 2019 0:46:10 GMT -5
Unfortunately, we have information from a SOLVER that the phrase does NOT appear word-for-word in Jenny's book, and this particular solver was not especially happy about this revelation.
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Apr 2, 2019 0:51:08 GMT -5
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Post by zaphod73491 on Apr 2, 2019 0:51:08 GMT -5
I can back up the claim with anecdotal evidence: months ago I typed in over a hundred of the most Fenn-relevant phrases from Jenny's book. If any one of them had, say, 25 consecutive letters that were anywhere within Jenny's keyphrase, my software would have found it.
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Apr 2, 2019 5:30:09 GMT -5
Post by Jenny on Apr 2, 2019 5:30:09 GMT -5
Unfortunately, we have information from a SOLVER that the phrase does NOT appear word-for-word in Jenny's book, and this particular solver was not especially happy about this revelation. Although not 'word for word', the phrase is in the book. |
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Apr 2, 2019 5:37:33 GMT -5
Post by Jenny on Apr 2, 2019 5:37:33 GMT -5
I can back up the claim with anecdotal evidence: months ago I typed in over a hundred of the most Fenn-relevant phrases from Jenny's book. If any one of them had, say, 25 consecutive letters that were anywhere within Jenny's keyphrase, my software would have found it. If that is the case, your software should have found it then...... |
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Apr 2, 2019 5:46:50 GMT -5
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Post by fennster on Apr 2, 2019 5:46:50 GMT -5
For instance Zap, I found a phrase that has 52 letters but 53 when you put the "f" at the end. Something like that may be key.
As far as the anagrammed words, that's what I assumed. I figured they would be anagrammed after the cipher and transposing the letters.
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Apr 2, 2019 5:53:29 GMT -5
Post by Jenny on Apr 2, 2019 5:53:29 GMT -5
Hi Harry: In am 100% sure the 52-letter phrase does NOT appear in Jenny's book. At best it's a variant. From the Q&A thread: Q) Other than general knowledge of how some ciphers work, do I need any other resource to solve the Fenn code, or is everything I need found inside your book? As an example: do I need a copy of TTOTC? A) All is in the book. Since we need the 52-letter keyphrase to solve the Vigenere cipher, and since she seems to have been saying that everything we need is in the book, I don't see how you could be 100% certain that the keyphrase is not in the book. Am I misunderstanding her answer? No, you are not misunderstanding the answer. The phrase is in the book, although not exactly word for word. There was a hint for this phrase- which has not been realized (and I'd admit too obscure), and hence this new clue. Best of luck! |
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Apr 2, 2019 9:24:23 GMT -5
Post by mcb on Apr 2, 2019 9:24:23 GMT -5
I can back up the claim with anecdotal evidence: months ago I typed in over a hundred of the most Fenn-relevant phrases from Jenny's book. If any one of them had, say, 25 consecutive letters that were anywhere within Jenny's keyphrase, my software would have found it. If that is the case, your software should have found it then...... So it's a Forrest phrase ... but, it's not necessarily the whole phrase ... |
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Apr 2, 2019 12:00:13 GMT -5
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Post by zaphod73491 on Apr 2, 2019 12:00:13 GMT -5
McB: Jenny confirmed what I shared long ago -- that the keyphrase is not a word-for-word match with a phrase found in the book, but it is close. Could be the order of a couple clauses is swapped, or a pronoun or two (and their associated verbs) were changed to make the phrase more general -- e.g. to make it sound like it's directed at us collectively rather than a single individual.
Now what I find interesting (disturbing?) is that Jenny has implied that if my code could find the right keyphrase if 25 consecutive letters are identical with what's in the book, then that code should have found it. Therefore, there are two possibilities: my file is missing the keyphrase she used (possible), or the 25+ letter match is NOT contained within the first 28 letters of the phrase (more likely). (The reason this is relevant is that only the first 28 letters of the keyphrase are repeated.)
I can try another tack: if a decent fraction of the unchanged portion of the keyphrase is included within the first 28 letters, I may still be able to find it.
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