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Post by Jenny on May 15, 2019 9:47:30 GMT -5
Full riddle here: www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8M2V2t1MVcThe first key is quite standard Ten cuts, ten pins and turn But the key is split in three And must be put together first The Ten Pins made me think of bowling..... and the Tetractys. Which 'but the key is split in three', might not be '3 parts', but refer to a triangle (or triangles), as seen in a cut up tetracty---
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Post by Jenny on May 15, 2019 10:23:17 GMT -5
There is the term 'Spare', another bowling reference, found in stanza 4... are there others?
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Post by inatimate1 on May 15, 2019 11:16:21 GMT -5
I can't find any other references apart from the ones you've mentioned, also the term "Split" from the stanza above is a bowling reference as well. I was initially thinking that the first key was made up of a 10 character code but the bowling theory really does fit with everything!
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Post by TxTH on May 16, 2019 12:36:51 GMT -5
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Post by Jenny on May 16, 2019 16:19:04 GMT -5
That explains the 'turn' part too..... nice.... wonder if there are double meanings to the lines....
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Post by TxTH on May 16, 2019 19:10:50 GMT -5
That is a good question Jenny.
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Post by Jenny on May 18, 2019 11:41:55 GMT -5
If you 'Turn' the tetractys clockwise--- it would be like the 'Play' button shape on YouTube and might hint to the information to find is on YouTube .....
And please know....I'm not 'stuck' on any one idea..not even the Tetractys....but I did like all the other possible 'bowling' references which were found....so just keeping it as an option....
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Post by inatimate1 on May 18, 2019 12:46:37 GMT -5
See I think the fifth part might have something to do with youtube, with his "play it carefully" line. Maybe the first key as a whole has something to do with youtube?
Maybe the first key gives a link to a YouTube video which gives instructions on where to go for the second key?
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Post by efanton on Jun 14, 2019 4:43:21 GMT -5
This to me implies we need a key (digital or physical). A three piece key doesn't make sense unless the clue refers to a web address. Web addresses are made up of three pieces WWW.ABC.COM, FTP.FILES.NET ABC.ABC.TV etc etc. Im pretty certain that we are looking for a web address. That will make narrowing down solutions to the three parts much easier as we know generally piece one usually has three characters and piece three usually has two or three characters So my take on the 2nd stanza is it refers to finding a web address and we find that by solving stanza's 3, 4 and 5 As far as I am concerned theres's nothing more to be done here with this stanza we know we are looking a web address
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Post by TheCoyWonder on Jun 27, 2019 23:17:08 GMT -5
I'm in agreement regarding a 10 character web address or IP address. I'm basing that on how key pins are considered a numbered combination. My son mentioned that Lukas made a point to include the "cuts" in the line, so it could potentially be 20 characters we are hunting for. He thinks 10 characters including www.XXXX.com (10) is pretty short for three stanzas of poem being dedicated to it, and I have to agree. I also am onboard with the three pieces of the key concept. Stanza 3 being piece 1. Stanza 4 being piece 2. Stanza 5 being piece 3. All culminating into the first key. I'm leaning on a domain name that we need to add www. and .com to. www.XXXXXXXXXX.com or www.XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX.comI know I'm not really saying anything new, but humor me, this helps me think. Hah.
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Post by TheCoyWonder on Jul 2, 2019 13:12:34 GMT -5
I know we've moved on past this stanza, but I tend to go back and look over the past before progressing in my personal process.
Keys and Locks by Design
Regarding the 10 character key based on a standard key design, I more firmly believe we are looking for a 10 character first key comprised of three pieces of data. Here's why...
So, to understand this fully, a key has 10 cuts that must align with the lock's 10 pins to turn and open. Previously, I mentioned that maybe we are looking at 20 characters based on thinking cuts and pins were the high points and low points on a key - a misunderstanding on my behalf. Realizing the key has cuts and the lock has pins assures me a 10 character key will open the 10 pin lock, in our case a web address or IP address.
A caveat regarding an IP Address as a solution, it has 4 parts instead of three, so it can't be the first key. An IP address would have to be the first and second key joined. (eg. 168.212.226.204 ) This may rule out an IP address for a solution.
Forgive the rehash, but this is how I think things through.
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Post by efanton on Jul 2, 2019 13:59:31 GMT -5
I think dcdad's reasoning for stanza 2 works best in my opinion 10 cuts- 10 tracks on an album or CD. Musicians call each track a cut 10 pins - related to ten pin bowling As for an IP address not being the first key, what worries me is the whole riddle screams out IP address. Look at stanza 5. C4 F5 C6 E6 converts perfectly into an IP address 196.245.198.230 It gets worse when you consider IPv6 From my post in the stanza 5 thread I dont think we can eliminate an IP address solution at all
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Post by elysethecat on Jul 8, 2019 13:32:53 GMT -5
Any new ideas here?
I think this may be a really important stanza when it comes to assembling the first key. I've tried anagraming some of the phrases, like "quite standard" to see if anything interesting came up.
I've also been thinking about cuts and pins for the last few days. Maybe cuts are 1s and pins are 0s, based on shape? Of course this doesn't even begin to work with binary because of the 8-character format. Cuts could also be slashes and pins could be dots, like periods or colons, as previously mentioned in this thread. And turn, (TURN!?!) what does it even mean?
I'm aware that a physical standard key has cuts and the lock has pins, but I was trying to see how this terminology would work with a digital key in three parts.
For a little fun, "Quite Standard" anagrams into "a dns ID quartet" although I'm fairly sure that wasn't intentional. That's just called, someone (me) is quite desperate to fit the narrative. Hahaha!
Let's talk about the second stanza, folks!
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Post by efanton on Jul 8, 2019 15:32:40 GMT -5
personally I think dcdad nailed this one
Ten cuts, ten pins and turn
ten cuts - an album with 10 tracks (Dearborn is one such album) ten pins - bowling/Turkey turn - (I thought I got this with 'Hell is round the CORNER' but hell.tm appears to be dead and there is no such domain hell.am or hell.tr)
I still think though its the best theory so far suggested. I have tried to think of others but none work or come close to being as logical
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Post by efanton on Jul 8, 2019 17:28:24 GMT -5
OMFG. I think I have had another eureka moment
Everyone has been going on about this book/movie Read Player One and I could not see what the fuss was about have never read the book or watched the movie. I managed to get a copy and have started watching it.
Most of us agree that stanza's 3, 4 and 5 combine to give us a web address. What I could not figure out is why these clues appeared to be in the wrong order or jumbled up. After all the last part of a web address is limited to 4 or 5 characters at most.
Stanza 3 - Michigan or something related to it Stanza 4 - Turkey, Armenia or Turkmenistan Stanza 5 - a song (possibly by tricky)
I was always thinking that stanza 4 was a country there therefore gave us the last part of the web address .TM, .TR, .AM but why was that the second clue and not the last?
Then watching the movie it hit me like a freight train. They are not jumbled up at all. How did the lad in the film get the first key? HE DID IT IN REVERSE
So the first part to showing this theory has legs is to find a Top level Domain that fits Michigan or something similar. .MI or .DB (DearBorn) would be perfect, but they dont exist, BUT.... .MIT does (MITCHIGAN wrong spelling but isn't that how its pronounced)
So IF Lukas is using the movie/book as a template, and my hunch is right the web address should be in the format Stanza5.stanza4.MIT
Its a long shot but definitely worth bearing in mind as we think we have solved stanza's.
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