Fifth Stanza of Riddle

[efanton]

Does anyone here have naval experience, or understand the medical ratings given to those who enlist?

Was watching a film earlier today, and I noticed that they gave a medical rating in the form of a letter and number (A1 I think it was)

Have tried to google "Naval medical rating" but I dont see anything that relates to what I expected.

[amisk]

Aug 3, 2019 18:25:16 GMT -5 efanton said:

Does anyone here have naval experience, or understand the medical ratings given to those who enlist?

Was watching a film earlier today, and I noticed that they gave a medical rating in the form of a letter and number (A1 I think it was)

Have tried to google "Naval medical rating" but I dont see anything that relates to what I expected.

What was the era of the film you were watching? It's maybe the selective service (the draft). 1A was a classification used during the Vietnam era for branches of the armed forces. More can be found here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective_Service_System#1980_to_present

But it's always number than letter, which wouldn't fit with the proposed letter-number solutions. (C6, etc.)

[efanton]

It was actually a film in the Korean war period, I think,  caught it half way through and wasnt able to watch it until the end. Looks like I got it back to front A1 instead on 1A

[goldenchild]

Aug 3, 2019 18:25:16 GMT -5 efanton said:

Does anyone here have naval experience, or understand the medical ratings given to those who enlist?

Was watching a film earlier today, and I noticed that they gave a medical rating in the form of a letter and number (A1 I think it was)

Have tried to google "Naval medical rating" but I dont see anything that relates to what I expected.

the navy has a pay grade structure though that is E1, E2 etc also with Other letters at the beginning...W’s...O’s....

[inatimate1]

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniforms_of_the_Royal_NavyS

I found the above page which outlines naval uniforms which could be along the same line. No sea legs suggests to me an on-shore officer but I can't spot anything that might link to this.

[fishmini]

I found out that if you use the periodic table (the place where alchemy's best is found) to translate the numbers in c4f5c6e6 into elements you get cbefbccec, which is still made up of notes you can play on an instrument.

[treasurer]

The last part is a tricky one
So play it carefully:
Explode, the strongest wind

No sea legs here, a song by D.D.E.

play "carefully"

C            explode= C4

ARE(air)  no sea legs here= air, airman, or E1 ?

Full         the strongest wind= F5

Y(e)        a song by D.D.E.= E6

carefully = 4156

[susb8383]

Interesting. How did you get 4156 from that?

[treasurer]

Sept 5, 2019 15:23:32 GMT -5 susb8383 said:

Interesting. How did you get 4156 from that?

The last part is a tricky one
So play it carefully:
Explode, the strongest wind

No sea legs here, a song by D.D.E.

I'm working from the premise that this stanza is the last 4 digits of a phone number. The consensus seems to have been (including me) the the last 2 lines are interpreted as C4 F5 C6 E6 which would numerically become a simple 4566 if you don't include the letters, however, I'm not convinced the letters aren't needed.

I am attracted to the word "carefully" and thinking that by it's spelling, it is used to order the numbers 4566 by their accompanying letters CFCE. However, this doesn't work as there is only one C in the word "carefully." So a rethink is in order. In my mind, perhaps the 2nd C or C6 for "no sea legs here" isn't correct. So the question becomes what else could it be?

Breaking apart the word CAREFULLY corresponding with accepted letter/number combinations, I get: C(=4) ARE(air) F(=5) ULL Y(E=6)

So the missing clue "no sea legs here"  can describe ARE(pronounced air) and perhaps correlate with Airman which produces a letter/number combination of E1 which is pay/rank?

Given the above, the word CAREFULLY translates to 4156 (ignoring ULL which does not correspond to anything)

[captnkush]

Maybe the strongest wind and no sea legs here could be one thing .when you read the transcription there is no comma seperating the them .f5 tornado or hurricane..that would get rid of your extra letter but you would lose a number also. Just a thought

[treasurer]

Sept 6, 2019 4:48:18 GMT -5 captnkush said:

Maybe the strongest wind and no sea legs here could be one thing .when you read the transcription there is no comma seperating the them .f5 tornado or hurricane..that would get rid of your extra letter but you would lose a number also. Just a thought

OBSERVATION: I remember noticing the no-comma between those two clues like you mention. In fact I copied the stanza directly from the poem.

But GO CHECK IT OUT! Now there is a comma inserted... Did Lukas just edit the stanza?

[inatimate1]

If he has added a comma it's to avoid the doubt. Although it's a telling sign we are along the right lines if he has!

[captnkush]

Thats funny it has totally been corrected. I also copied it exactly and have been staring at at it for days.there was no comma there b4 i went to bed and now there definitely is. Well we know he follows our progress on here must have a been a typo(oops). Nice of him to fix it.

[huun]

Sept 5, 2019 22:33:07 GMT -5 treasurer said:

I'm working from the premise that this stanza is the last 4 digits of a phone number. The consensus seems to have been (including me) the the last 2 lines are interpreted as C4 F5 C6 E6 which would numerically become a simple 4566 if you don't include the letters, however, I'm not convinced the letters aren't needed.

I'm also working under the premise that this is related to a phone number and a partial solve is "C4 F5 C6 E6."

Apparently the sound you hear when you dial a number on analog phone is a combination of two simultaneous tones--a high and low (aka Dual-tone Multi-Frequency signaling). The frequencies for these tones on a telephone keypad are shown below:





So for example, if you press "1" on your phone it produces a sound that is a simultaneous combination of a 697 Hz and a 1209 Hz tone.

Interestingly, 697 Hz corresponds roughly to the musical note F5, and 1336 Hz to E6 (in scientific pitch notation). However, I haven't been able to find a relationship between C4 (262 Hz) or C6 (1046.5 Hz) and the frequencies on an analog phone keypad. (Link to a pitch-to-frequency calculator).

Does this observation give anyone any ideas?

Perhaps it has something to do with the "turn" mentioned in the second stanza. An ornamental turn in music is a way to denote to play a "note above the one indicated, the note itself, the note below the one indicated, and the note itself again." I don't know much about music, but if applied roughly to C4 F5 C6 E6, it could give us D4 F5 B5 E6. Does that have any significance? 

Just some half-thought out ideas. I hope they're helpful.

[efanton]

I love your train of thought.

I did some simple maths.

	1209	1336	1477	1633
697	512	824	653	980
770	439	897	580	1053
852	357	979	498	1135
941	268	1068	409	1224

here is a representation of a simple spreadsheet  Top row is high frequency group,  first column is low frequency group.
the other cells are the result of subtracting the first column value from the top row value

Most instrument will never exactly match the scientific frequency of a note.  They will be very close to it though.
For instance  scientifically A4 is 440hz,  but some orchestra's will deliberately tune to a slightly different pitch   
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concert_pitch

Despite such confusion, A = 440 Hz is the only official standard and is widely used around the world. Many orchestras in the United Kingdom adhere to this standard as concert pitch.[16] In the United States some orchestras use A = 440 Hz, while others, such as the New York Philharmonic, use A = 442 Hz.[17] The latter is also often used as a tuning frequency in Europe,[3] especially in Denmark, France, Hungary, Italy, Norway and Switzerland.[16] Nearly all modern symphony orchestras in Germany and Austria and many in other countries in continental Europe (such as Russia, Sweden and Spain) tune to A = 443 Hz.[16]

common alternative frequencies can be seen here
pages.mtu.edu/~suits/notefreqs.html



so back to the calculated numbers and what they represent

268	C4
357	F4
409	G4
439	A4
498	B4
512	C5
580	D5
653	E5
824	G#5
852	??
897	A5
979	B5
980	B5
1053	C6
1068	??
1135	D6
1224	Eb6

?? means I'm note sure what note is represented



Now we put those notes in kepypad layout

1 C5	2 G#5	3 E5	A 980
4 A4	5 A5	6 D5	B C6
7 F4	8 B5	9 B4	C D6
* C4	0 ??	# G4	D Eb6

And finally we try convert C4 F5 C6 E6 to numbers and we get C4=* F5=? C6=B E6=D  which is not helpful at all 

I didnt have any paper to scribble on which is why I did all my working out here.  So if you have been reading eagerly through this post I'm really sorry to disappoint.
There's a good chance that I feck'd up the above somewhere, so it is worth double checking my math and process.


How ever all is not lost.  The dial-tone idea  is not a bad one.

Does anyone have both a musical instrument AND a phone that uses Dual-tone Multi-Frequency dial tones (DTMF)

If so could I ask that you try playing the notes C4 F5 C6 E6 (if that's even possible) on your phone and see what number is dialed?