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Post by efanton on Jun 28, 2019 20:27:09 GMT -5
I think this is Ali Baba. I really didn't know the story but I googled Famous Lumberjacks. Turns out he was clearing wood when he overheard the 40 thieves talking about their secret cave full of gold, which he then plundered. I also found a reference to one of Aesop's Fables in which a woodcutter drops his axe in a river and the god Mercury tries to return it. Mercury asks him if a gold one is his (he says no), then a silver (he says no), then the one he lost (he says yes). Mercury is so impressed with his honesty that he gives him all three. Ali Baba Certainly does sound like a far more plausible solution to the stanza. Good find
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Post by Jenny on Jun 29, 2019 13:58:45 GMT -5
I think this is Ali Baba. I really didn't know the story but I googled Famous Lumberjacks. Turns out he was clearing wood when he overheard the 40 thieves talking about their secret cave full of gold, which he then plundered. I also found a reference to one of Aesop's Fables in which a woodcutter drops his axe in a river and the god Mercury tries to return it. Mercury asks him if a gold one is his (he says no), then a silver (he says no), then the one he lost (he says yes). Mercury is so impressed with his honesty that he gives him all three. Excellent find! Yes, definitely seems like that fits the stanza.......
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Post by inatimate1 on Jun 29, 2019 15:48:10 GMT -5
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Post by efanton on Jun 29, 2019 17:56:22 GMT -5
unfortunately not available to those of us in Europe. You will have to post a quote
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Post by TheCoyWonder on Jun 29, 2019 19:05:41 GMT -5
"Clyde Friend's life changed the moment his bulldozer hit the first tree on a hot summer afternoon in 2002 as he leveled a hill behind his workshop. Chips flew everywhere, a small explosion of brown and white shards."
He's a guy who discovered an expanse of buried petrified trees on his property. Friend has dug up about 200 petrified trees and expects to find hundreds more. The trees are mostly hickory, elm, maple and sweet gum.
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Post by susb8383 on Jun 29, 2019 22:08:28 GMT -5
That's possible too.
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Post by mrpoirot on Jul 8, 2019 17:16:03 GMT -5
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Post by squirejames88 on Jul 19, 2019 16:41:29 GMT -5
I am predicting the second key will be the phrase "open sesame" and the second part will be directly related to the mirror of erised.
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Post by treasurer on Oct 7, 2019 14:46:06 GMT -5
I've been pounding this one with multiple variations of the phrase "Open Sesame" (along with many other hunters).
How can "Open Sesame" not have something to do with the solve for stanza 6?
I'm not willing to give up on it either , so somebody help me find something I'm missing (100,000 variations here):
Open Sesame
Open O Sesame
Open O Simsim
Open Simsim
Sesame, Open
Sesame, Open Thyself
Sesame, Open Yourself
Sesame, ouvre-toi
1001 Nights
Open Says Me
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Post by efanton on Oct 7, 2019 16:56:26 GMT -5
I've been pounding this one with multiple variations of the phrase "Open Sesame" (along with many other hunters).
How can "Open Sesame" not have something to do with the solve for stanza 6?
I'm not willing to give up on it either , so somebody help me find something I'm missing (100,000 variations here):
Open Sesame
Open O Sesame
Open O Simsim
Open Simsim
Sesame, Open
Sesame, Open Thyself
Sesame, Open Yourself
Sesame, ouvre-toi
1001 Nights
Open Says Me
The problem is if it really is a password box, spaces will not be allowed. then you have the whole capital letters/no capital letters argument. Then you have the 'are the letters reversed?' (Mirror of erised/desire) then as Susb points out it might be a mirror cipher might have been used (AtBash) and finally, LEET speak is often used for passwords (numbers substituted for letter) Password suddenly becomes P455w0rd The simple phrase 'Open Sesame' suddenly become a huge long list of potential solves. I have already tried the ones below, and I'm still not certain I tried every possibility Open Sesame open sesame OpenSesame opensesame emasesnepo emaseSnepO emases nepo emaseS nepO 0p3n 5354m3 0p3n 535am3 0p3n S3sam3 0p3n5354m3 0p3n535am3 0p3nS3sam3 3mas3Sn3p0 3ma535n3p0 3m4535n3p0 3mas3S n3p0 3ma535 n3p0 3m4535 n3p0 0p3n 5354m3 0p3n 5354m3 0p3n5354m3 0p3n5354m3 3m4535n3p0 3m4535n3p0 3m4535 n3p0 3m4535 n3p0 Lkvm Hvhznv LkvmHvhznv lkvm hvhznv lkvmhvhznv vnzhvhmvkl vnzhvh mvkl vnzhvHmvkL vnzhvH mvkL You are going to have try something similar for all you potential solves to be absolutely sure you have not guessed the right password but put it in the wrong format.
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Post by efanton on Oct 7, 2019 17:35:49 GMT -5
Have just tried combinations of Sesame, ouvre-toi
None of these worked
Sesame, ouvre-toi
Sesame, Ouvre-toi
sesame, ouvre-toi
Sesame ouvre toi
Sesame Ouvre toi
sesame ouvre toi
Sesame ouvretoi
Sesame Ouvretoi
sesame ouvretoi
Sesameouvretoi
SesameOuvretoi
sesameouvretoi
5354m3, 0uvr3-701
5354m3, 0uvr3-701
5354m3, 0uvr3-701
5354m3 0uvr3 701
5354m3 0uvr3 701
5354m3 0uvr3 701
5354m3 0uvr3701
5354m3 0uvr3701
5354m3 0uvr3701
5354m30uvr3701
5354m30uvr3701
5354m30uvr3701
1073rvu03m4535
1073rvu03m4535
1073rvu03m4535
1073rvu0 3m4535
1073rvu0 3m4535
1073rvu0 3m4535
107 3rvu0 3m4535
107 3rvu0 3m4535
107 3rvu0 3m4535
107 3rvu0 3m4535
107-3rvu0 ,3m4535
107-3rvu0 ,3m4535
iotervuoemases
iotervuOemaseS
iotervuoemaseS
iotervuo emases
iotervuO emaseS
iotervuo emaseS
iot ervuo emases
iot ervuO emaseS
iot ervuo emaseS
iot-ervuo ,emases
iot-ervuO ,emaseS
iot-ervuo ,emaseS
Hvhznv, lfeiv-glr
Hvhznv, Lfeiv-glr
hvhznv, lfeiv-glr
Hvhznv lfeiv glr
Hvhznv Lfeiv glr
hvhznv lfeiv glr
Hvhznv lfeivglr
Hvhznv Lfeivglr
hvhznv lfeivglr
Hvhznvlfeivglr
HvhznvLfeivglr
hvhznvlfeivglr
5354n3, 0fei3-701
5354n3, 0fei3-701
5354n3, 0fei3-701
5354n3 0fei3 701
5354n3 0fei3 701
5354n3 0fei3 701
5354n3 0fei3701
5354n3 0fei3701
5354n3 0fei3701
5354n30fei3701
5354n30fei3701
5354n30fei3701
1073ief03n4535
1073ief03n4535
1073ief03n4535
1073ief0 3n4535
1073ief0 3n4535
1073ief0 3n4535
107 3ief0 3n4535
107 3ief0 3n4535
107 3ief0 3n4535
107-3ief0 ,3n4535
107-3ief0 ,3n4535
107-3ief0 ,3n4535
rlgvieflvnzhvh
rlgviefLvnzhvH
rlgvieflvnzhvH
rlgviefl vnzhvh
rlgviefL vnzhvH
rlgviefl vnzhvH
rlg viefl vnzhvh
rlg viefL vnzhvH
rlg viefl vnzhvH
rlg-viefl ,vnzhvh
rlg-viefL ,vnzhvH
rlg-viefl ,vnzhvH
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Post by efanton on Oct 7, 2019 17:40:17 GMT -5
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Post by treasurer on Oct 7, 2019 18:58:06 GMT -5
Thank you efanton. I was actually thinking of you (as well as the others) when I wrote my post. The phrases I previously mentioned are actual historical translations of the phrase "Open Sesame" (if you didn't already know).
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Post by flash911 on Nov 20, 2019 19:10:45 GMT -5
I suppose I was reading this stanza differently - more as some sort of "transformation" of the first key (found in stanzas 3, 4, and 5) is needed to find the second key... With that approach in mind, I came across someone that sounded interesting and could possibly give us "assistance": Anton Stager"You need assistance from a man":I'm wondering if it's not a "man" we need assistance from, but rather a cipher that a man created... During the Civil War, Stager was responsible for all of the telegraph lines in the Ohio district. He was also asked to develop an encryption scheme to protect state government communications, "...creating the first telegraphic cipher used for military purposes. When the cipher came to the attention of General George B. McClellan, he asked Stager to prepare a cipher for use in the field, which was later adopted as the official cipher of the War Department." His cipher was known as a "route" cipher "Whose fortune came as a surprise While clearing wood upon the land":Stager was a co-founder of Western Union, setting up telegraph lines alongside railroad lines that were being built (i.e. while "clearing wood upon the land" / clearing trees for the tracks?). [In 1854,] as an agent of the Western Union Telegraph Company, Wade, along with Anson Stager, entered the field of railroad relationships with striking success. [...] It was these railroad contracts, entered into during the 1850s and 1860s, which in later years made the position of Western Union almost unassailable. [...] ( www.myinsulators.com/acw/bookref/telegraph/index.html). I would imagine that this resulted in quite a payday / fortune for Stager. So...if this stanza means we need to use a cipher to decrypt the first key found (i.e. the route cipher), does it change how we are looking for the first key? Are we looking for a first key composed of numbers? Or letters that can be rearranged with the route cipher? Or, does the first key lead us to a list of letters / words that can be rearranged? If this approach is correct, stanza 7 may be asking up to once again transform the second key into the final "answer" somehow. Just thought I'd share my thoughts with everyone who have been sharing their own. I just started this puzzle a few weeks ago and wanted to share a different perspective, right or wrong... Flash
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Post by captnkush on Nov 20, 2019 19:19:05 GMT -5
Awesome info and super cool thought.
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