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Post by efanton on Jun 21, 2019 18:51:24 GMT -5
Most people assume that key 1 will be a web address. There's already another thread for IP address. This thread will assume the first key will be a proper web address with a proper domain. the address will be in the format WWW.adomain.xxIt makes sense to have two separate threads so that comments and suggestions make sense and are relevant. To me this stanza, (in a WWW address format context), points to the answers being nothing more than WWWWWW looks very much like the fingers of a glove, or the head of a key There could well be a deeper meaning to the stanza but to my knowledge nothing else has been suggested that could be substituted for WWW To me this point to Turkmenistan "Beside a bird that's rarely thrown" (a Turkey) and "spare" are both terms used in bowling "The next plus two is found " and "search everywhere , Beside a bird that’s rarely thrown" suggest we look at the map and countries or cities close to Turkey "Astride a treasure on its own " You sit astride a horse, a golden horse would be a treasure, and the golden horses from Turkmenistan are world famous "The next plus two is found" for me this is the clincher, Turkmenistan is two countries away from Turkey How could we incorporate Turkmenistan into domain address well the country code for Turkmenistan is TM so the web address is probably in the format WWW.adomainmame. TMIt has also been suggested by elysethecat that the web address might be in the format WWW.adomainname.XXXThis too makes logical sense The fifth stanza is where things get difficult elysethecat has made great suggestions here Personally I cannot fault the logic and it does seem to point to 4 musical notes that we must "play it carefully". Could that mean the four note are played slowly? The fours note in order are C4 F5 C6 E6 I assume that the final web address would be in the format WWW.songname.TM or WWW.songname.XXXIn order for this theory to progress we have to find a way of identifying the song that contains C4 F5 C6 E6, or find find some other use for them (other than an IP address which is a different theory and covered in a different thread ). I have spent literally hours trawling the web trying to find a way where we can identify a song that has those four notes. Unfortunately I havent found one, hopefully someone else can. Lukas being a professional musician does make this theory very attractive and maybe there is some online tool familiar to musicians that would make solving this stanza simple with the four notes that the elysethecat partial solution provides Until we solve the use of the four notes C4 F5 C6 E6, or find an alternative theory for stanza 5, it looks like we are dead in the water |
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Post by TheCoyWonder on Jun 27, 2019 23:00:17 GMT -5
I tried playing the piano keyed notes on www.onlinepianist.com/virtual-piano and into my iphone with Shamzam and Soundhound with no luck. Thought I'd share in case this method works for someone else. ..but, yes, I too believe we are looking for a web address or IP address. |
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Post by susb8383 on Jun 30, 2019 15:08:38 GMT -5
I'm actually not sold on the poem yielding a web address OR an ip address. The pieces seem to be giving us numbers (such as Dearborn MI's prefix) which are higher than an ip address range. It could be that we take those numbers and use them in some other way in conjunction with going through the black flame that results in a web address.
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Post by TheCoyWonder on Jun 30, 2019 15:25:07 GMT -5
You could totally be right about that. There may be a deciphering process in between. Here's a resource I use, if anyone finds it helpful. www.asciitohex.com/ |
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Post by susb8383 on Jun 30, 2019 15:26:51 GMT -5
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Post by inatimate1 on Jun 30, 2019 16:39:01 GMT -5
I'm actually not sold on the poem yielding a web address OR an ip address. The pieces seem to be giving us numbers (such as Dearborn MI's prefix) which are higher than an ip address range. It could be that we take those numbers and use them in some other way in conjunction with going through the black flame that results in a web address. It could be a simple number to letter translation... For Dearborn... 313 would give us a start of CAC (or CM) Settled - 1786 (AGHF or QHF) Village - 1893 (AHIC or RIC) Town - 1927 (AIBG or SBG) The RIC could be the start of something but I'm just thinking out loud, I doubt figures like Population aren't going to be important because it isn't a fixed figure. Also might be worth noting that Henry Ford is probably it's most famous person, I wouldn't rule out a link down this path somewhere either. |
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Post by elysethecat on Jun 30, 2019 16:40:46 GMT -5
I've tried so many different web addresses. At this point, just hoping for a Eureka moment (these sometimes happen during mundane chores, in the shower, driving, etc.) I've tried hexadecimal conversions; I've used the midi numbers AND 88-key keyboard numbers in lieu of alphanumeric notes. I've tried XXX, X, 12 (the next plus two), XII, XYZ. I've tried ipv4 format, ipv6 format. I'm totally sold on Dearborn's area code as the first part, 313. Maybe it's wrong, but it just makes sense to me and until something better comes along. I've run the notes through every musical identifier online, classical, pop, guitar tabs, etc. I'm still in the camp that believes the completed first key is a web address, but I'm rabbit-holed out from trying to put the three parts together. I liked the concept of "ten cuts/ten pins" with pins referring to the colons in an ipv6 address, but haven't made anything function. I've looked at chess boards and sheet music; I've added and multiplied. I'm stuck.
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Post by susb8383 on Jun 30, 2019 20:34:46 GMT -5
The reason I don't think the first part translates into a web address is something Lukas said in the video comments, "there are two "keys" which are pieces of information that are used to unlock the chest, whose location is also alluded to in the riddle."
That just doesn't read to me as if the first or second key gets us a web address.
Personally I think we're going down that road because we're trying to reverse engineer it; since the treasure chest is found online, it means the keys must be part of a web address. But that doesn't match what he said, IMO. I'm of the school of thought that they keys are needed when we get there to unlock it, but the location is alluded to (partly at least) in
"Then with your newfound knowledge
You must travel through black flame
The place where alchemy’s best is found
Will help you win this game."
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Post by efanton on Jul 1, 2019 6:34:14 GMT -5
I'm actually not sold on the poem yielding a web address OR an ip address. The pieces seem to be giving us numbers (such as Dearborn MI's prefix) which are higher than an ip address range. It could be that we take those numbers and use them in some other way in conjunction with going through the black flame that results in a web address. A web address is broken down into 3 parts. The server.the domain name. and the TLD (top level domain) the server (usually WWW) can be named anything. Its just convention that most admins use WWW to name their server. I wouldn't get hung up about in what format the answer for stanza 3 is. 313.adomain.xxx dearborn.adomain.xxx 616.adomain.xxx MI.adomain.xxx All the above are perfectly valid URL's |
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Post by TheCoyWonder on Jul 1, 2019 9:47:44 GMT -5
The reason I don't think the first part translates into a web address is something Lukas said in the video comments, "there are two "keys" which are pieces of information that are used to unlock the chest, whose location is also alluded to in the riddle." Very good observation. A new angle to approach. I like it. |
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Post by squirejames88 on Jul 1, 2019 10:10:41 GMT -5
Just watched the movie "ready player one" last night. This is mentioned as one of his favorite novels. I am not sure if there is a direct clue in the movie or not, but the
entire "hunt" seems to be heavily influenced by it. The theme of the movie is about finding and turning 3 keys to find the hidden Easter egg within the construct of a massive video game. (very brief synopsis).
A big theme in the movie is about friendships developed between the 5 main characters.
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Post by efanton on Jul 1, 2019 12:35:57 GMT -5
The reason I don't think the first part translates into a web address is something Lukas said in the video comments, "there are two "keys" which are pieces of information that are used to unlock the chest, whose location is also alluded to in the riddle." That just doesn't read to me as if the first or second key gets us a web address. Personally I think we're going down that road because we're trying to reverse engineer it; since the treasure chest is found online, it means the keys must be part of a web address. But that doesn't match what he said, IMO. I'm of the school of thought that they keys are needed when we get there to unlock it, but the location is alluded to (partly at least) in "Then with your newfound knowledge You must travel through black flame The place where alchemy’s best is found Will help you win this game." Personally I thinks the first key being a web address is both the obvious and most logical answer You suggestion that we find a web site and then start using keys is going to make it extremely hard if not impossible. Do you know how many websites are out there? Even if you were to narrow the possibilities down to a theme you will still be looking at millions, thousands at the very least and you have suggested no way in which we could narrow down a website. Also bear in mind that if a website exists it will not necessarily show up in google, or search engine results. When you create a website you can add a file called ROBOT.TXT. This tells search engines what to do if they find the site. That could include not showing any results at all if that's what the robot.txt demands and almost all search engines respect what is limited in the ROBOT.TXT I would be very loathe to start looking at any theory that does not have a very solid foundation. So far you theory that its is not a web address has no foundation, its just an idea. The problem is without the FULL web address it is almost certain that it will not show up in any internet search. It is obvious to anyone that if a web address is to be found, the designer of the hunt will do whatever they can to prevent that address turning up in searches. One of the first things I did was use the INURL: option in google and bing to try find likely websites. For instance if the webaddress we needed to find was XXX.marksthespot.com I could simply do a google search for INURL: xxx com and up would pop the website. Putting instructions in a ROBOT.TXT would prevent this from happening and I would be pretty certain that's exactly what Lukas has done otherwise we would only need to solve half the riddle to solve the hunt. We have good idea what the web server will be called (313, 616,dearborn, MI for example), if stanza 4 points to the TOP LEVEL DOMAIN we have a good idea what that will be (.TK, .TM, .XXX) what we still have to work out is what C4 F5 C6 E6 means. If we can figure out what C4 F5 C6 E6 means then we will almost certainly have the correct web address. At the very least it will allow us to eliminate the web address theory completely and work on other theories such as IP address, but until then I think working on other idea's is wasted time. Even if we solve the URL, that only gets us to a website, who know what riddles or tricks Lukas has up his sleeve once we get there, but that is why I think there are two keys, its not going to be simply a case of opening a website and seeing 'YOU HAVE WON' in wonderful flashing text. I think stanza 6 and 7 and possibly the remaining stanza's that just appear as filling at the moment will make a whole lot more sense once we have identified the website. I would be delighted for anyone to prove me wrong, but if you are to dismiss a theory then at the very least replace it with a theory that has some sort of logical foundation. If you can show me why you think its something else and state your logic or reasoning then I would be happy to contribute or help. Until then I think the Web address theory is the best one we have got, and so far we are more than half way there. |
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Post by susb8383 on Jul 1, 2019 16:11:10 GMT -5
Just watched the movie "ready player one" last night. This is mentioned as one of his favorite novels. I am not sure if there is a direct clue in the movie or not, but the entire "hunt" seems to be heavily influenced by it. The theme of the movie is about finding and turning 3 keys to find the hidden Easter egg within the construct of a massive video game. (very brief synopsis). A big theme in the movie is about friendships developed between the 5 main characters.
You gotta read the book! I absolutely loved the book and read it about 7 times. I didn't care for the movie at all. They changed too much except the very basic plot and it was too geared towards kids, I thought. The book is awesome, especially if you grew up as a kid in the 80s like me and loved video games.
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Post by susb8383 on Jul 1, 2019 16:29:16 GMT -5
You suggestion that we find a web site and then start using keys is going to make it extremely hard if not impossible. If you can show me why you think its something else and state your logic or reasoning then I would be happy to contribute or help. Until then I think the Web address theory is the best one we have got, and so far we are more than half way there. I never said we find a web site first. I said that I think stanza 7 is what leads us to a website if interpreted correctly, not the 'key' stanzas.
And I did state my reasoning about why I think it's something else: because he said the keys unlock the chest, not find the chest, and that the location is also alluded to in the poem.
It's ok, efanton, we can disagree. That's why I put "personally I think" and "IMO." We can argue all day about which approach is correct, but we won't know which one of us is correct until someone finds the chest and the solution is published. Neither one of our approaches is right or wrong at this point; they're just different, and we both have cases for our points of view.
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Post by susb8383 on Jul 1, 2019 16:52:03 GMT -5
Whoa, thecoywonder, you were the Breakfast Tea & Bourbon guy?? Very cool!!!
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