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Post by minotaurmoreno on Jul 13, 2019 16:51:13 GMT -5
But, as Forrest once said, “It seems logical to me that a deep thinking treasure searcher could use logic to determine an important clue to the location of the treasure. Is someone doing that now and I don’t know it? It’s not what they say on the blogs that may be significant, it’s what they whisper.” This is one of the other quotes that you could do an entire show on all the possibilities this could mean, IMO. mm
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Post by Jenny on Jul 18, 2019 7:02:15 GMT -5
Forrest says, 'Get Back in the Box' at around the 39:50 mark......
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Post by chad1968 on Jul 18, 2019 19:59:07 GMT -5
By over thinking what he meant by box as being a literal thing and a clue, you would be doing exactly what get back in the box means, which is keep it simple. Put in below the home of brown seems to trip up most people because they don't realize it is an instruction, more so than a specific place, though it is that as well. People are making his poem seem harder than part 4 of Kryptos and it's not.
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Post by Jenny on Jul 19, 2019 6:33:29 GMT -5
I think most interpret 'Put in below the home of Brown' as an instruction. The whole poem seems to be a 'Map' or 'Instructions' to find his chest.
And I'm not sure we can compare the Poem to Kryptos 4. They are completely different methods of 'disguise'. It's like comparing apples to oranges, so to say. And those who like codes probably feel Kryptos 4 is easier-- for when it is solved, it will be KNOWN. When WWWH is solved, it is uncertain. Only when the entire poem is solved, and chest in hand, will the 9 clues be KNOWN to be solved.
That is what seems to be the major obstacle.... the inability to have confirmation of progress. And which what might cause people to go 'out of the box'.....lol.... As Forrest said in effect... since searchers can't find the solution within the box, they feel it must lie 'out of it'.... when it actually might be right there in front of them- in the box- and only being missed....or not 'thought' about.
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Post by seannm on Jul 20, 2019 12:40:59 GMT -5
I think most interpret 'Put in below the home of Brown' as an instruction. The whole poem seems to be a 'Map' or 'Instructions' to find his chest. And I'm not sure we can compare the Poem to Kryptos 4. They are completely different methods of 'disguise'. It's like comparing apples to oranges, so to say. And those who like codes probably feel Kryptos 4 is easier-- for when it is solved, it will be KNOWN. When WWWH is solved, it is uncertain. Only when the entire poem is solved, and chest in hand, will the 9 clues be KNOWN to be solved. That is what seems to be the major obstacle.... the inability to have confirmation of progress. And which what might cause people to go 'out of the box'.....lol.... As Forrest said in effect... since searchers can't find the solution within the box, they feel it must lie 'out of it'.... when it actually might be right there in front of them- in the box- and only being missed....or not 'thought' about. Jenny, Well said. I couldn’t agree more. Seannm
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Post by seannm on Jul 25, 2019 18:55:21 GMT -5
All, Doing a Fennsomnia this evening at 9:30pm MT. Decall Thomas will be joining me to discuss Forrest gets mail 23, Tuesdays Live panel show and maybe Decall’s recent BOTG trip. m.youtube.com/watch?v=SROH-9LNSDoHope to catch you all on “The Flip Side” Seannm
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Post by Bownarrow on Aug 4, 2019 9:57:22 GMT -5
'Get back in the box' could be a hint to look at the contents of the box.
From TTOTC:
"20,000 word autobiography .... in a small glass jar and the lid covered with wax to protect the contents from moisture. The printed text is so small that a magnifying glass is needed to read the the words. I tried to think of everything."
When I was ready to put the olive jar that contained my autobiography and two of my hairs in the treasure chest I studied the lid. It was made of tin coated steel, which is not easily oxidized in air or water. Over time those characteristics can break down.
Although I am not ready to say the treasure is not in water, I certainly didn’t want moisture to enter the jar. So I melted a chunk of microcrystalline wax to the point that it started smoking, which meant it was at its thinnest viscosity. Then I dipped the jar in the molten wax deep enough to cover the lid and part of the jar, and held it there for several seconds. I wanted the wax to seal the threads on both the lid and the jar, but I didn’t want the heat to break the glass. After it cooled for a minute or so and the wax hardened, I repeated the process two times, increasing the wax thickness on the lid. The wax was petroleum based and won’t evaporate or deteriorate. When cold, it becomes brittle. That’s why I wanted the threads on the lid and jar clogged.
All I know are the facts, if you want the truth go next door to the psychology department.f
The above are two statements by ff re. his autobiography.
As far as I am concerned the inclusion of a "20,000 word autobiography printed in text so small that a magnifying glass is needed to read the words" and "two of ff's hairs" in "a small glass olive jar" is the strangest item in the chest.
To me this has clue/aberration written all over it. For starters I have never seen a glass olive jar that is small enough to fit in the box without taking up a lot of the room inside it. I don't remember seeing such a jar in any of the photos of the contents of the chest.
Why is the text of the autobiography printed in letters so small a magnifying glass is needed to read it? Why are there two of ff's hairs in the chest?
Why is an autobiography included when so much of ff's life has already been recorded in other documents already available?
I don't have answers to any of these questions, but there is something fishy about this autobiography and olive jar.
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Post by Bownarrow on Aug 4, 2019 12:14:04 GMT -5
When I was ready to put the olive jar that contained my autobiography and two of my hairs in the treasure chest I studied the lid.
The referent of "I studied the lid" in the above statement is not clear. It could refer to either the lid of the jar or the lid of the chest. The subsequent sentences make it clear that the intended referent is the lid of the jar, but I find it interesting that the word "studied" is used.
"Studied" strikes me as a peculiar word to use when talking about the lid of a common olive jar. Are not most people aware that the metal lids of jars rust over time?
The word "studied" makes more sense if the lid referred to is that of the chest, and the chest is a messenger box with a woodcut pasted onto the underside of the lid.
Incidently M.C. Escher( see Moby Dickens video) whose name can be seen clearly on the book to the right of ff, made numerous woodcuts.
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Post by sisson09 on Aug 4, 2019 12:34:49 GMT -5
Here is my total opinion of what back in the box means.
First, the smarter everday backwards bicycle video. So think what the pattern of riding that bike would look like on paper...zig zag right?
Second, look at the pattern on the outside edge of the indian garment hanging behind Forrest and Rambin Pam in her recent youtube interview... zig zag pattern?
Just my opinion, i believe the search area has a fence around it with this pattern.
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Post by Bownarrow on Aug 4, 2019 12:51:40 GMT -5
Incidently M.C. Escher( see Moby Dickens video) whose name can be seen clearly on the book to the right of ff, made numerous woodcuts.
The image on the cover of the M.C.Escher book seen in the Moby Dickens video may be identified as a detail from the woodcut "Circle Limit ii"
A synonym of lid is cover.
The image of the fishy woodcut on the cover of the M.C.Escher book may therefore may be interpreted as a reference to a "woodcut on the lid"
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2019 15:13:37 GMT -5
Jenny asked: What do you think Forrest meant by his use of 'Get Back in the Box'?
Draw a (2-D) box on a piece of paper.
The box has four corners.
Now look at the poem.
Get the idea?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2019 17:33:22 GMT -5
Because some of the "solutions" I have read are so crazy and so far out there nobody else other then that person could possibly think of them. When I first started doing real estate years and years ago I came to the conclusion that if you try and understand what other people are possibly thinking you will only give yourself a headache. I do understand "personalities" very well however and while FF is a complex mix, he is also very simple just from his background. I think too many people are over thinking this really badly. Most of the ideas or clues I have thought about have strangely come up when I was not trying so hard to think about the poem, while watching TV or doing something else. Those ideas would just kind of pop in my head and I would investigate them as much as I can. The problem as someone said on another thread, and I whole heartedly agree, is that FF wrote the rules and people are having a hard time understanding those rules (see headache above). If I were taking FF literally I would point out that both Colorado and Wyoming are both shaped like boxes, and that New Mexico, Arizona, Utah, and Colorado are "Four Corners" states. Just saying. - Ray
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Post by Jenny on Aug 5, 2019 5:35:17 GMT -5
Jenny asked: What do you think Forrest meant by his use of 'Get Back in the Box'? Draw a (2-D) box on a piece of paper. The box has four corners. Now look at the poem. Get the idea? And I like that idea......and whether or not if Forrest meant such, a searcher can't go wrong by doing so.....
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2019 12:01:17 GMT -5
Thanks Jenny. I think that Forrest was trying to hint at the same line of thinking on the last page of the book, when he alluded to the urban myth that the word "butterfly" was derived from "flutterby." www.grammarphobia.com/blog/2008/02/butterfly.htmlThink about how you convert one to the other: (1) You chop the original word into four parts. (2) you reassemble them is a different way. Chop. Reassemble. Chop. Reassemble. That axe on the facing page may be good for more than just chopping wood.
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Post by Bownarrow on Aug 6, 2019 9:28:49 GMT -5
Why is the text of the autobiography in the chest printed in letters so small a magnifying glass is needed to read it?
I have been thinking about this question and trying to come up with an answer.
The mention of "letters printed so small a magnifying glass is needed to read it" brings to mind William Newbold's theory about the Voynich Manuscript.
"Taking a magnifying glass to the text, Newbold noticed strange irregularities at the edges of the letters. He believed the tiny lines were Greek shorthand—and that each letter contained as many as 10 of them"
This link to William Newbold's theory about the Voynich Manuscript may be supported by ff's statement in TTOTC:
"I feel my life has been a rough draft of the place just ahead where the past will come alive again and all of my experiences and friends through the years will meet with me at the great banquet table of history"
This mention of "the banquet table of history" brings to mind William Newbold's deciphered message of the Key found on the last page of the Voynich manuscript:
“I, Roger Bacon,
Drawing nigh to heaven,
Gladly would feast with
The saints at their banquet.”
From this decoding of the Key, William Newbold, concluded that the manuscript was written by Roger Bacon. The title of the chapter "Father on the banco" provides another link between ff and the VMS via Roger Bacon( banco = anagram of Bacon). Bacon is also said to have developed the Magnifying Glass.
In the first verse of the poem the name "Newbold" may be found, supporting the idea that the VMS is relevant.
As I have gone alone in there And with my treasures bold I can keep my secrets where And hint of riches new and old.
These perceived links to the Voynich Manuscript suggest that the VMS is relevant to the Chase. I am still in the dark however as to the question of the "why" of the connection between Fenn's autobiography and the VMS.
I only hope that Greek shorthand is not involved!
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