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Post by Jenny on Jul 23, 2019 8:25:57 GMT -5
The following Question was posted on MW on 7/1/2014:
Mr. Fenn: In the past when you have said that several people had figured out the first two clues and then went right past the other clues, would you say that they got lucky and just happened to go to the correct starting area, not fully understanding the poem, or would you say that they did indeed solve the first two clues by understanding the poem and clues? C
Searchers have routinely revealed where they think the treasure was hidden and walked me through the process that took them on that course. That’s how I know a few have identified the first two clues. Although others were at the starting point I think their arrival was an aberration and they were oblivious to its connection with the poem. Playing a hunch is not worth much in the search and those who start out by looking for the blaze, are wasting their time.f
What I find curious is the part: 'Although others were at the starting point I think their arrival was an aberration and they were oblivious to its connection with the poem'.....
That part to me sounds like WWWH is in a more remote location than most commonly shared. For instance, many searchers have felt where the Firehole river goes into the Madison could be WWWH..... however, when considering Forrest's above comment, it seems too public, for searchers 'arriving' at a location.
'Their arrival' makes it sound like searchers have to deliberately travel out of their way to the location of WWWH, and this location is in a rather remote spot to begin with...not in a common location. 'Their arrival' is suspicious to me. It supports thoughts that WWWH is in a very specific place and makes it seem a searcher begins in a remote place, unknown to many, to begin with.....instead of driving to one.'
What does that part sound like to you? Do you feel WWWHH is in some very remote location?
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Post by Jenny on Jul 23, 2019 8:29:20 GMT -5
What I also find curious is the part: 'and those who start out by looking for the blaze, are wasting their time.f'
It almost sounds like Forrest feels that those who 'arrived' at WWWH, but weren't aware, were looking for the Blaze there..........(when considering that part with the whole answer)
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This too would suggest WWWH is not close to a public space, but in a remote area, because not many look for the Blaze, near where the treasure chest is found, and where his bones would rest.
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Post by npsbuilder on Jul 23, 2019 22:14:55 GMT -5
I'm beginning to think that the 2nd Stanza is telling us to start with a compass...
WWWH - hold compass level
take in canyon down - get a heading/bearing
hoB - Red in the Shed
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2019 12:02:02 GMT -5
I think he's saying there are 2 different groups of people here. One, the people who have indeed ID'd the first two clues. Then there's a second group that have mentioned the first two clues but didn't really ID them properly just ran across them in their solves.
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Post by davebakedpotato on Jul 24, 2019 14:55:03 GMT -5
To me there are lots of contradictions, and this is one of them: Forrest says he likes to be far from the crowds and off the beaten track, yet we have a number of people, probably not searchers, passing within 500 feet of the treasure (admitedly this could be an elevation, but the point stands). As a side note - WWWH could be remote but the final hiding place not be, or vice-verca etc... I always imagined the final spot to be both remote amd beautiful, but I have very little evidence for this. All we know is it's special to Forrest.
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Post by chad1968 on Jul 25, 2019 0:10:07 GMT -5
My solve wwwh is not in the middle of nowhere
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Post by Jenny on Jul 25, 2019 6:51:41 GMT -5
In the following Featured Question posted on MW in July 2018.....Forrest says, 'if you can't find that location....' It makes me feel it is possible that WWWH is not only difficult to interpret (determine what it is)...but also possibly difficult to 'locate'. Sure it might be on a map, as implied from the LGFI comments, but it might not be a prominent location on a map. Mr. Fenn,
Does the first stanza in your poem reveal where searchers are supposed to begin when looking for “where warm waters halt” or are we only supposed to pay attention to ” where warm waters halt” and one day say’ “why didn’t I think of that” when the true solve is revealed?
Thanks ~ Indiana Jonie
Jonie,
The first clue in my poem is WWWH. I have said that several times over the years. If you can’t find that location you cannot find the treasure. Good luck, and please stay safe in the mountains. f[/i]
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Post by firesnake on Jul 25, 2019 6:55:19 GMT -5
Good question Jenny.
My warm waters would surprise most people but it's a pretty solid deducement.
The line you mention; 'Although others were at the starting point I think their arrival was an aberration and they were oblivious to its connection with the poem' – to me it sounds like people are there all the time, oblivious to the Chase because it's a built up area.
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Post by firesnake on Jul 25, 2019 7:49:19 GMT -5
It could be important to use his use of plurality for waters, one of which is on a map. He could have said 'Begin it where warm water halts" but that may be a choice with no importance.
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Post by ironwill on Jul 25, 2019 8:51:16 GMT -5
What does that part sound like to you? Do you feel WWWHH is in some very remote location? . Searchers have routinely revealed where they think the treasure was hidden and walked me through the process that took them on that course. That’s how I know a few have identified the first two clues. Although others were at the starting point I think their arrival was an aberration and they were oblivious to its connection with the poem. Playing a hunch is not worth much in the search and those who start out by looking for the blaze, are wasting their time.f
I believe we need to ask what "others" means? Other searchers or other people? The fact that people have been at the starting point and had nothing to do with the poem, tells me that it is in a public spot, where people would normally go by it or be around it. Now, given that theoretical supposition...the blaze comment that follows would then suggest that the "blaze" (being a physical thing), is not what people think it is. In fact, it would suggest that the blaze is something so common, that you'd be wasting your time trying to find it without following the poem to it. Remember there are a billion blazes out there. So that would mean its in a moderate to heavily travelled area and is not unique (like an "F F" on a stone). Because if it were, searchers could come across the blaze, hence not be wasting their time. Anyhow that's my take on it.
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Post by davebakedpotato on Jul 25, 2019 14:56:19 GMT -5
Forgive the slight tangent here, but what if you had a great answer to WWWH, however it was very far removed from the search area, in a different country even? What would you make of that?
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Post by heidini on Jul 25, 2019 17:29:46 GMT -5
Forgive the slight tangent here, but what if you had a great answer to WWWH, however it was very far removed from the search area, in a different country even? What would you make of that? I believe that was a theory of dal nietzal before.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2019 17:42:24 GMT -5
Forgive the slight tangent here, but what if you had a great answer to WWWH, however it was very far removed from the search area, in a different country even? What would you make of that? I believe that was a theory of dal nietzal before. I have an awesome WWWH solve that starts in Yellowstone, but the solve does not end in Yellowstone.....
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Post by ironwill on Jul 25, 2019 18:59:14 GMT -5
Forgive the slight tangent here, but what if you had a great answer to WWWH, however it was very far removed from the search area, in a different country even? What would you make of that? I would simply ask this. If your first clue is in a different country than the Rockies (which I'm assuming it's Canada), then how on earth do you narrow it down so much to a 12 ft area in just 8 more clues? I ran into this problematic question about 2 weeks into looking for the chest back in 2014. No matter what solution I came up with that fit the 9 clues on a series of maps, I could never pin the chest down to less than a 40,000 sq ft area(200ft x 200ft). This translated into roughly a 1 in 53,000 chance of locating the treasure after 9 clues...and that's without the unfortunate addition of "other" factors. That's when I decided to change my way of thinking.
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Post by davebakedpotato on Jul 25, 2019 21:01:56 GMT -5
Ok thanks. I think it's just a weird coincidence. They can be hard to walk away from!
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