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Post by elysethecat on Sept 1, 2019 16:21:40 GMT -5
If I could ask a question, it would be: "Is the first key a URL?"
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Post by susb8383 on Sept 1, 2019 17:33:11 GMT -5
The correct way to have asked the above question would be I agree with inantimate1 on this. I don't think it should be worded as a "hexadecimal number." You're already assuming too much with that. I would just ask about letter number, letter number, etc.
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Post by inatimate1 on Sept 1, 2019 18:59:33 GMT -5
The correct way to have asked the above question would be I agree with inantimate1 on this. I don't think it should be worded as a "hexadecimal number." You're already assuming too much with that. I would just ask about letter number, letter number, etc. That's why I phrased it the way I did. Although they are all hexadecimal numbers anyway in fairness, I felt that was the best way to get a definitive yes/no. If the stanza is aiming to provide us with that format of answer then we know it's right. How we use it remains unknown, whether it be as a domain, some kind music reference, chess/battleship related. To be honest I preferred the way I put it the first time around by asking if it provides four different letter/number format answers. At least that way it avoids Lukas suggesting that it's not necessarily an 8 character string.
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Post by efanton on Sept 1, 2019 19:19:21 GMT -5
But you miss the point completely
How are you going to ask the question that DEFINITIVELY asks YES/NO question?
You have to ask a question that leaves absolutely no question as to its interpretation
I understand what inatimate1 was asking. no doubt you understand what inatimate1 was asking, but that simply is not good enough. You must give Lukas absolutely no wiggle room
I have already demonstrated how a question worded wrongly could lead to an answer that is of no use to any of us.
If you don't like my question (and I have no problem with that) then step forward and suggest the wording for a question that results in a Boolean answer.
If you cant do that then all you are doing is arguing into to the wind and wasting an opportunity for everyone to progress. (After all I did ask you to consider this a week ago)
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Post by inatimate1 on Sept 1, 2019 21:05:20 GMT -5
Jenny, I withdraw my suggested question.
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Post by susb8383 on Sept 1, 2019 22:02:17 GMT -5
Sorry, efanton, I don't understand your objection. How does this not give a boolean answer:
"Does stanza 5 produce an 8 character answer in the format letter/number/letter/number/letter/number/letter/number"?
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Post by efanton on Sept 2, 2019 9:55:41 GMT -5
Sorry, efanton, I don't understand your objection. How does this not give a boolean answer: "Does stanza 5 produce an 8 character answer in the format letter/number/letter/number/letter/number/letter/number"? My point is simple. asking the question Absolutely no problem with that whatsoever. It clearly does or does not. It's when you start asking That I have a problem with the answer to that could still be NO even if the C4 A5 C6 E6 are actually correct, because the answer to stanza 5 could be the result of manipulating the C4 A5 C6 E6. The answer to stanza 5 could be something else entirely If C4 A5 C6 E6 have to be used in some way to get the answer then asking the question is clearly the wrong question to ask because the answer Lukas would give is NO even if the C4 A5 C6 E6 are actually correct
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Post by inatimate1 on Sept 2, 2019 10:16:26 GMT -5
I understand that, the first part about "play it carefully" could suggest some movement in order, asking specifically on those two lines avoids bringing any alterations in to it rather than the stanza as a whole.
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Post by efanton on Sept 2, 2019 10:26:15 GMT -5
I understand that, the first part about "play it carefully" could suggest some movement in order, asking specifically on those two lines avoids bringing any alterations in to it rather than the stanza as a whole. precisely. If you ask the question regarding those two lines specifically, not the whole stanza, then I have no problem with the question. It would be horrible waste of a question if the question asked was in the format We would be no wiser and in the exact same position as we are now. If the general consensus is that we clarify these two lines I propose the question be asked in the following format Absolutely no wiggle room for Lukas, and if he say YES or NO we know absolutely what it means.
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Post by susb8383 on Sept 2, 2019 18:08:45 GMT -5
Oh ok. I think the objection we were making was 'hexidecimal numbers' vs. "letter/number/letter/number" etc.
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Post by efanton on Sept 2, 2019 19:10:16 GMT -5
Oh ok. I think the objection we were making was 'hexidecimal numbers' vs. "letter/number/letter/number" etc. lol. no. The objection was Is the answer to stanza 5 'hexidecimal numbers' or "letter/number/letter/number" etc. vs is the answer to the middle two lines 'hexidecimal numbers' or "letter/number/letter/number" etc. the point I was making is even if the middle two lines do indeed give us the hexadecimal numbers the actual answer to the stanza could be something completely different altogether. You might need to do something with the hexadecimal numbers in order to get the answer to the whole stanza.
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Post by goldenchild on Sept 3, 2019 14:50:43 GMT -5
Well that does help narrow it down. Good question!
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Post by efanton on Sept 3, 2019 19:47:09 GMT -5
10 digit and not a website? Looks like we are looking for a US phone number. Then the question is what to do with it, Lukas has clearly stated it is not necessary to make a phone call, so maybe it is the name of a business? What then? If we dont have a website to go to where do we use the first key? Is there a 'Golden Pages' for US telephone numbers. In Europe we have telephone directories that are free to access to look up a telephone number. Does such a free service exist in the USA? The second alternative is that it is indeed a IPv6 addresss That would been hexadecimal numbers separated by : If my previous hunch was right It would be in the format xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx The dots representing the ten pins The problem with this is Lukas has clearly stated the first key does not take us to a website. I would assume that this eliminates both the standard format for an address for a website WWW.MYWEBSITE.COM and an IPv6 address
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Post by fishmini on Sept 3, 2019 20:40:36 GMT -5
Maybe the first key doesn't lead to a website but when you "travel through black flame" with both keys, it results in a website.
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Post by catherwood on Sept 3, 2019 22:40:21 GMT -5
a skeptic could say that an IP address is not the same as a website. A single page (which could be text-only, not even HTML) without a domain name is not a website (to me, being absolutely strict and picky).
A 10-digit number might not be a working telephone number, but you could still apply the 2=ABC phonepad subtitutions as a cipher, yielding a long word or short phrase.
ISBN numbers (redundant nomenclature, i know, like ATM machine) used to be 10-digits long. A book title published before 2007 could have had a 10-digit ISBN.
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