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Post by balloonsrfun on Jun 1, 2020 12:37:02 GMT -5
I would ask about the key length. Maybe say is key 2 in it's final state, 10 characters or less? Like I said this question is the same as asking two questions in one, if it is No, then it means it is 11 or more characters and NOT a phone number, if it is Yes, then it might be a phone number, but we will know that any result we get, will be up to 10 characters long which really narrows down the choices in my opinion. Asking questions that answers two in one is the best option in my opinion.
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Post by tabfrankie on Jun 1, 2020 12:56:15 GMT -5
In addition to the phone number idea, that question is also applicable to the paypal theory. If the answer is yes, it is less than 10, then a paypal solve would be between 7 and 10 characters. If the answer is no, a paypal solve would be more than 11.
Either answer offers good info
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Post by dalakita on Jun 1, 2020 13:12:02 GMT -5
In addition to the phone number idea, that question is also applicable to the paypal theory. If the answer is yes, it is less than 10, then a paypal solve would be between 7 and 10 characters. If the answer is no, a paypal solve would be more than 11. Either answer offers good info I like the question to determine the length of key 2, but I think we need to be careful and specific in the wording. For example, "is it less than OR EQUAL to 10 ALPHANUMERIC characters". This will makes sure we are specific with the boundary length, and hopefully avoids the technicality of whether or not a digit is considered a character in this context.
And thanks for putting your question out to the forum for discussion!
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Post by thedutchcoder on Jun 1, 2020 13:35:05 GMT -5
A digit, per definition, is an alpha_numeric_ character
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Post by tabfrankie on Jun 1, 2020 13:43:53 GMT -5
So far this seems to be the question that encompasses what a lot of people want to see.
Is key 2 comprised of letter and/or numbers that are equal to or less than 10.
We have some time here so we can talk about options or refine the question. I'm willing to go with the prevailing opinion.
I'm in chicago and it has recently turned turned into a mad max hellscape, so friendly cooperation is pretty attractive right now
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Post by balloonsrfun on Jun 1, 2020 13:47:50 GMT -5
I know that certain wording CAN open a door for the clue master to be sneaky and technical, however, I really don't think that Lukas is that way at all, and he even clarifies it when he thinks something might be taken the wrong way. So, I think if we just flat out asked Lukas, is key 2's length 10 or less characters long? I really think this question will help out the majority of us ALL the most. For reasons mentioned above, we will know by his answers if it is a phone number's length, that it "could" be a phone number, if it isn't then we will no that it most likely is just a password that is over 10 characters long. Are spaces considered characters? Maybe he will see this, and will give us a freebie and just come out and say whether or not spaces count as a "character"
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Post by thedutchcoder on Jun 1, 2020 13:52:19 GMT -5
Yeah I like that approach too. Though I like the simplicity of: "Is key #2 alphanumeric?".
If yes: not a phone number, but likely a password If no: either a phone number or pure words
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Post by dalakita on Jun 1, 2020 13:56:24 GMT -5
A digit, per definition, is an alpha_numeric_ character Yes, and that's my point. It is an alphanumeric character, but if we just say "character", that could possibly rule out digits. Just want to be specific!
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Post by balloonsrfun on Jun 1, 2020 14:11:08 GMT -5
I think that this should be the question. It is concise and to the point in my opinion.
Is key 2 comprised of letter and/or numbers that are equal to or less than ten inputs in length.
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Post by balloonsrfun on Jun 1, 2020 14:30:35 GMT -5
I do think that whatever the question, it needs to be concise. For example, please don't ask is key 2 (or all parts of it), it is important that we be clear that the answer to key 2 is a certain amount of characters, and not the parts of it. The key in it's first state could be something like Startingafire5892 and then after manipulation it could be fireart528 which would be the final answer of 10 characters long. No offense, but questions like asking about parts, and giving more than one option like "a watery tragedy" pertaining to a shipwreck, flood, or drowning, gives too many possibilities, it should have just mentioned one of the 3 imo. So, the question ( Is key #2 comprised of a letter and/or number format that is equal to or less than ten inputs in length in it's final state of answer?)
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Post by thedutchcoder on Jun 1, 2020 14:36:17 GMT -5
I do think that whatever the question, it needs to be concise. For example, please don't ask is key 2 (or all parts of it), it is important that we be clear that the answer to key 2 is a certain amount of characters, and not the parts of it. The key in it's first state could be something like Startingafire5892 and then after manipulation it could be fireart528 which would be the final answer of 10 characters long. No offense, but questions like asking about parts, and giving more than one option like "a watery tragedy" pertaining to a shipwreck, flood, or drowning, gives too many possibilities, it should have just mentioned one of the 3 imo. So, the question ( Is key #2 comprised of a letter and/or number format that is equal to or less than ten inputs in length in it's final state of answer?) As a software developer I disagree a bit, there's too many options right now within the question, it contains 2 'ors' and 1 'and', which will almost always lead to an ambiguous answer. I recommend checking out my previously posted question about an alphanumeric sequence, as it will discern between phone number / password quite easily. Length is fairly trivial when it comes to phone numbers, but they all have one thing in common: they're all just numbers. I mean technically the `+` could be considered not a number, though in reality it always is and Lukas doesn't seem petty about that stuff. Anyway, just my 2 cents!
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Post by balloonsrfun on Jun 1, 2020 14:47:06 GMT -5
I agree about the distinction of alphanumeric, however, if you ask the question (Is Key #2 alphanumeric), then if the answer is yes, it could be any amount of a combination of letters and numbers that are from 3 to 30 amounts of characters long it could be KEY20291828181ISTHEANSWerNowG0 or it could be K3Y and imo wouldn't help us very much. If the answer is NO, then it could mean that it could be all numbers, or all letters, it opens too many possibilities to me?
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Post by tabfrankie on Jun 1, 2020 14:53:59 GMT -5
When you say previous posted question do you mean:
Is key 2 comprised of letter and/or numbers that are equal to or less than ten inputs in length.
If so I like it, I think this would be hard to misconstrue. I also like adding "in its final state" because I question what "manipulate" means.
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Post by balloonsrfun on Jun 1, 2020 14:56:30 GMT -5
Yes
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Post by balloonsrfun on Jun 1, 2020 15:04:23 GMT -5
If you send in your question now, will he air it tomorrow? or do we HAVE to wait 40 hours regardless?
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