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Post by captnkush on Nov 2, 2019 14:31:42 GMT -5
I think all that sounds great...im definitely curious on your solve for stanza #5 also . Hope you'll share.
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Post by efanton on Nov 2, 2019 21:18:20 GMT -5
I'm happy to focus the question on stanza #5. I personally don't believe the "result" to the stanza is c4 f5 c6 e6, so I want to steer clear of any ambiguous questions or answers that could potentially be open for greater interpretation. I'm thinking of narrowing the question down to something along the lines of: "Does the line 'no sea legs here' specifically refer to C6, as in the letter C and number 6?" - if the answer is "yes", then the other alphanumerics alluded to in the stanza's riddles would most likely also be correct. Of course, this y/n answer won't help us discern what to do with these alphanumerics, but I'm sure we all have our own theories on this. If C4, F5, C6, E6 are correct, I personally have a 4-digit solve that no one else has mentioned yet on the forum. If Lukas' answer is no, we're all in the same boat paddling upstream until December 1 rolls around... Other ideas for questions - "Is the bird that's rarely thrown a turkey?" "Is the bird that's rarely thrown a bowling reference" "Is the second part of the first key three digits" "is the third part of the first key four digits" Of course, these thoughts aren't in their final form - I will make sure that no matter what I ask, it'll be airtight in terms of getting a definitive yes or no response from Lukas. More suggestions still welcome, we have under 24 hours to go! The problem with asking Is what if he answers NO. That could mean that we just got that answer wrong but the rest were right, or that the hexadecimal answers were completely off track, or possibly something else that we have not considered. I would suggest, if we are going to ask a question like that, that we try ask a question that gives us a positive way forward whether he answers YES or NO. That sounds like a oxymoron but its not. If you were fairly certain the C4 E6 and F6 were right then maybe you could ask the following Are any of the following answers to the individual clues correct Explode, ANSWER C4 the strongest wind, ANSWER F5 No sea legs here, ANSWER C6 a song by D.D.E. ANSWER E6Its a bit cheeky, but hey, he set the rules of a simple YES/NO answer, Luka didnt say anything about wording a question in such a way that we are asking about four different things. If he answers YES then we know the hexadecimal partial solution is the way to go and we have one or more correct. If he answers NO it means we have gone down the wrong rabbit hole completely, I cant see how we could get all four wrong if hexadecimal numbers were a partial solution. The only thing I dont like about it is If he says YES have we really made progress? We could have got one or more of those clues wrong, but we know for certain we are looking for hexadecimal answers, but there are a dozen or more ways to process 4 hexadecimal numbers to give a 3 or 4 digit integer. The alternative is to go for broke and rephrase the first line thats in bold above to say Are the following answers to the individual clues correctExplode, ANSWER C4 the strongest wind, ANSWER F5 No sea legs here, ANSWER C6 a song by D.D.E. ANSWER E6 That way if he answers YES we know we are simply dealing with the issue of what to do with the hexadecimal numbers. If he answers NO then we know we got one or more wrong, or hexadecimal numbers are simply not a partial solve. Pretty close to where we are now, but that's the risk we take for going for broke.
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Post by elysethecat on Nov 2, 2019 22:01:41 GMT -5
I get what you're saying, efanton. Thanks for your input! I will think hard about how I want to word the question, and on the other hand, how much I actually want Lukas to reveal.
As a side note, I do not personally believe these are hexidecimals and I do not treat them as anything with a base-16 value in any of my possible solves. I do support your opinion though, since no one has solved the first key yet, all possible interpretations are absolutely valid. I am just on a slightly different track and plan to roll with my weird little ideas until disproven.
Last month's y/n question about ten digits was great!
Unfortunately, I think we're at a stage in the solve where there's not going to be a perfectly clear question that will elicit an equally clarifying response. I'm not interested in turning the hint opportunities into 20 questions (Is it a horse? Is it a cat?) or a path to brute-forcing the key solution. I would like a better understanding of the riddle itself and to keep the process challenging for all involved. Sure, maybe that means we'll be at it for a bit longer, but I'm okay with that!
For me, nothing would be more welcome than a breakthrough on the fourth stanza. I've got <10 feel-good solutions for the first key piece and <10 feel-good solutions for the third key piece but absolutely nothing for the middle bit. Zero. Zilch. Nothing next to that darn bird. Nothing astride a treasure. I don't know where I'd even begin with a decent y/n there.
So much to think about!!
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Post by keladry12 on Nov 3, 2019 1:04:38 GMT -5
I'm with you Elyse, I feel like I can at least start with the other stanzas, but stanza four is just leaving me with nothing that I really like! I'm just having such a hard time figuring out how to narrow in on some sort of solution using a yes/no question, though....maybe something about scouring a map, given enfanton's proposed direction and the "search everywhere" portion?
possible question: Will searching Google Maps by hand help us solve stanza four?
Is this too ambiguous? Or too specific to a solution? I feel like asking specifically in the form e.g. "does rarely thrown = " gives us less information than asking about some sort of process. I know you have maybe sent the question in by now, but for next time too. I don't know if going for really specific solves is the way to go, but instead do something like last month, where we learned more about the general form of a key. Maybe we can learn about some process we will have to use next.
I'm excited to see what you decided to ask and to learn what Lukas will share with us this month.
For the coming months: We could ask about using ciphers, searching for details on maps or images, playing music, reading books, translating, the "ten cuts ten pins" line, what other processes might we have to use?
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Post by elysethecat on Nov 3, 2019 9:40:38 GMT -5
Question is in, and sadly, it's not: "IS IT A FREAKING TURKEY OR WHAT, LUKAS?!!!!!!!" though that would have been pretty funny.
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Post by captnkush on Nov 5, 2019 1:12:34 GMT -5
So uh....did you stump him with your question? Lol
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Post by captnkush on Nov 5, 2019 12:57:19 GMT -5
Cool...so c4 f5 c6 e6 are at least half way there . Thats definitely re assuring.any thoughts ? Im still assuming we gotta take it a step futher .
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Post by efanton on Nov 5, 2019 13:18:54 GMT -5
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Post by goldenchild on Nov 5, 2019 14:44:38 GMT -5
Great job on the question. It’s pretty safe to assume The other f5 etc is also correct since they were not as in question as the c6. If you number sub the letters and add the pairs you get 711911. Probably a coincidence. Six numbers, which would only leave four for the first two parts. If the first piece was two numbers it would make the “the next, plus two” hold a different meaning. As in the next set of 2 numbers. I don’t 100% believe this myself but could be worth looking at if there are two digits that could work for the first stanza of “call a place that fits like a glove” etc. Or 4566 are the numbers we should be focusing on.
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Post by efanton on Nov 5, 2019 17:07:44 GMT -5
If you are convinced that stanza 3 results in 313 (Dearborn area code) Then this stanza cannot simply be 4566 I have just tried every combination possible using 313, all of its possible prefixes, and 4566, and have to report no joy whatsoever.
There are a few possibilities that I have not tried, if you want to give up the idea that the 1st key is a telephone number, and those are the combinations that do not use a prefix for the 313 area code.
To be honest I was not expecting a hit, but did it just for my own peace of mind. I think the clue TURN is the key to finally breaking this stanza.
The obvious is to try all the combinations again using 6654 instead, but that will have to be another day, I just dont have the time or inclination to repeat what I have just done.
What we really need now it to try identify how many digits each stanza contributes to the first key.
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Post by susb8383 on Nov 5, 2019 20:17:12 GMT -5
Great job, Elyse. Thats exactly the question i would have asked.
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Post by captnkush on Nov 5, 2019 20:19:36 GMT -5
If you are convinced that stanza 3 results in 313 (Dearborn area code) Then this stanza cannot simply be 4566 I have just tried every combination possible using 313, all of its possible prefixes, and 4566, and have to report no joy whatsoever. There are a few possibilities that I have not tried, if you want to give up the idea that the 1st key is a telephone number, and those are the combinations that do not use a prefix for the 313 area code. To be honest I was not expecting a hit, but did it just for my own peace of mind. I think the clue TURN is the key to finally breaking this stanza. The obvious is to try all the combinations again using 6654 instead, but that will have to be another day, I just dont have the time or inclination to repeat what I have just done. What we really need now it to try identify how many digits each stanza contributes to the first key. a quick question regarding your method of imput. Did you do every sequence from 200 to 999? As i only got to 600 so far and personally was never sold on 313 i would like to continue on to other possibilities. Ive personally been trying every possibility even ones i know are unassigned (just in case).if youve already done that i dont see the point in continuing as i trust your very diligent in your efforts. Im going to continue pluging away this month on all Michigan area codes starting from the southwest of the state moving across and finally north but im going to use the other option not 4566 .
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Post by susb8383 on Nov 5, 2019 20:31:35 GMT -5
Great job, Elyse. Thats exactly the question i would have asked. And actually you were the one who originally came up with c6, so we wouldn't even have that on our own. So thanks.
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Post by efanton on Nov 5, 2019 21:58:41 GMT -5
If you are convinced that stanza 3 results in 313 (Dearborn area code) Then this stanza cannot simply be 4566 I have just tried every combination possible using 313, all of its possible prefixes, and 4566, and have to report no joy whatsoever. There are a few possibilities that I have not tried, if you want to give up the idea that the 1st key is a telephone number, and those are the combinations that do not use a prefix for the 313 area code. To be honest I was not expecting a hit, but did it just for my own peace of mind. I think the clue TURN is the key to finally breaking this stanza. The obvious is to try all the combinations again using 6654 instead, but that will have to be another day, I just dont have the time or inclination to repeat what I have just done. What we really need now it to try identify how many digits each stanza contributes to the first key. a quick question regarding your method of imput. Did you do every sequence from 200 to 999? As i only got to 600 so far and personally was never sold on 313 i would like to continue on to other possibilities. Ive personally been trying every possibility even ones i know are unassigned (just in case).if youve already done that i dont see the point in continuing as i trust your very diligent in your efforts. Im going to continue pluging away this month on all Michigan area codes starting from the southwest of the state moving across and finally north but im going to use the other option not 4566 . I did all the possible prefixes for the 313 area code. They start at 201 and end at 999, and if I recall correctly there were 632 of them. That was a lot of grinding, but to me personally worth the effort. At least I know what I can eliminate. I notice very few are doing similar work themselves. I know its long, tedious and boring but until there is a significant breakthrough its the only way we will progress. Whats the saying 'many hands make light work'? I suspect, as with many hunts, there are a good few lurkers waiting to pounce on a solution found by others, but actually not willing to put the work in themselves. Doesn't bother me one bit because if I do find the solution it will only be shared with the few here that have worked together from the start, it certainly will not be posted here for everyone to see.
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Post by efanton on Nov 5, 2019 22:02:40 GMT -5
Great job, Elyse. Thats exactly the question i would have asked. And actually you were the one who originally came up with c6, so we wouldn't even have that on our own. So thanks. Totally agree. That was great thinking by Elysethecat to suss out the format of the answers to the clues. I have to admit it might have taken me months to suss out the C4 F5 C6 E6 without her first pointing it out.
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