The Council of the Wise

[goldilocks]

Hi Drifter, I don't disagree with you however, one can also pick and choose Forrest's quotes to confirm one's own bias. If we stick to straight facts, only words out of Forrest's mouth, one still needs to interpret his words and therein lies the problem. My strategy fluctuates minute to minute but I do try to keep an open mind and enjoy taking it all in.

[npsbuilder]

Aug 12, 2019 2:30:41 GMT -5 @drifter said:

To further my position that trying to find hints in TTOTC is not productive, let me point out a few things Forrest has said. All of these quotes are from Forrest Fenn:

1. "Emily, All of the information you need to find the treasure is in the poem ..."

2. "I've said searchers should go back to the poem so many times that I don't want to say it again here."

3. "Just go back to the poem. The poem will take you to the treasure."

4. "The book [TTOTC] won't take you to the treasure chest ... there are nine clues in the poem ... they will take you to the treasure chest ..."

There is a very good presentation on YouTube, called "Cognitive Bias in Forrest Fenn Treasure Hunters":. I strongly recommend watching it, assuming that you are not averse to learning something. The presentation specifically talks about bias at it relates to the Fenn treasure hunt. The entire program is useful. But for searchers who are convinced that they can make progress by using TTOTC, the segment from the 34:20 minute mark to ~ 44.00 minutes is especially germane.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFzM7Nn7_AY

Drifter...I am in total agreement that books will not help determine where tc...what is a clue and what isn't

Me personally, I have transitioned from the words in the poem to making the words numbers (what numbers is the hard part).  Do I make them coordinates, tracking numbers, ISBN and so on using.  Which words, combination of words, letters within words, which direction to use words and so on. 

Heck, it could even be a combination of words as used in the poem and other words converted to numbers. For example - words like with, and, in, but, down and possible others may tell you how to use the words when converted to numbers.

[zaphod73491]

Drifter: WWWH is totally solvable with just the poem, in my opinion, though knowing a bit about Forrest helps to constrain the problem. I also feel that solving the third clue with just the poem and a sufficiently detailed map is also possible, but very few will ever do so because they read the poem too literally.

[goldilocks]

Aug 12, 2019 8:06:48 GMT -5 npsbuilder said:

Aug 12, 2019 2:30:41 GMT -5 @drifter said:

To further my position that trying to find hints in TTOTC is not productive, let me point out a few things Forrest has said. All of these quotes are from Forrest Fenn:

1. "Emily, All of the information you need to find the treasure is in the poem ..."

2. "I've said searchers should go back to the poem so many times that I don't want to say it again here."

3. "Just go back to the poem. The poem will take you to the treasure."

4. "The book [TTOTC] won't take you to the treasure chest ... there are nine clues in the poem ... they will take you to the treasure chest ..."

There is a very good presentation on YouTube, called "Cognitive Bias in Forrest Fenn Treasure Hunters":. I strongly recommend watching it, assuming that you are not averse to learning something. The presentation specifically talks about bias at it relates to the Fenn treasure hunt. The entire program is useful. But for searchers who are convinced that they can make progress by using TTOTC, the segment from the 34:20 minute mark to ~ 44.00 minutes is especially germane.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFzM7Nn7_AY

Drifter...I am in total agreement that books will not help determine where tc...what is a clue and what isn't

Me personally, I have transitioned from the words in the poem to making the words numbers (what numbers is the hard part).  Do I make them coordinates, tracking numbers, ISBN and so on using.  Which words, combination of words, letters within words, which direction to use words and so on. 

Heck, it could even be a combination of words as used in the poem and other words converted to numbers. For example - words like with, and, in, but, down and possible others may tell you how to use the words when converted to numbers.

Drifter and NPS, in regards to the books not being useful in determining where the chest is, what about these quotes from F: 
"My Thrill of the Chase book is enough to lead an average person to the treasure.f"
"Are there clues in the TFTW book?" "Yes, because the map is in the book".
And the best quote I just found tonight for the first time thanks to these threads, "Why did you hide the treasure where you hid it? The answer is in my book, TTOTC. f"

[van]

I just like messing with the poem:

So hear me all and list good, I leave my trove for all to seek.

Begin it where I have gone alone; I keep my treasures secret where I already know; put in where it’s no place for the meek.

From there it’s not far, but too far to walk; follow the canyon down to where the warm waters halt.

If you are brave, the end is ever drawing and your quest to cease, just take it quickly, from the home of Brown.

If you been wise, there will be no paddle, just heavy loads and water high.

You’ll be cold, tired and week, but your effort will be worth riches, new and old, and I give you title to the gold.

So why is it that I must go?

Blaze, just take the chest and go in peace.

[davebakedpotato]

Aug 13, 2019 5:32:30 GMT -5 @drifter said:

To dbp ...

It seems that we (or I) have diverged from your original topic of wise council.

The subsequent discussion has been good I think. But perhaps it should have been made into a separate thread, with a title of "using TTOTC to find hints", or some such title. When I administered a message board in the past, I constantly had to break off segments of some thread to a new thread; otherwise, all kinds of topics intermingled in a single thread.

Might be appropriate at this point to return to your original topic "Council of the Wise". I think I have said about all I'm willing to say on hints in TTOTC.

Drifter

Thanks Drifter, I will consider your point on solely concentrating on the poem since it is certainly easy to get distracted. From a personal view, if you've exhausted your brain with it, the prospect of a little hint to jump start the brain cells would be very valued, however again you are right - how do we know what is a hint or not?

Dbp